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    Re: Freshman GOPer: Hey, Where's My Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Right, and those people he works FOR probably elected him to deny that ability. Just giving **** to people doesn't = doing what's best for them in all cases. So what if he wants to deny healthcare to citizens from the government? That has nothing to do with asking his employer about health care benefits. They're not the same thing.



    Not about HIS health care.

    Find me any quote by him suggesting federal employees in general shouldn't be given health care options similar to private enterprise? Find me quotes of him suggesting that postal workers be denied having health care offered to them. Or FBI agents? Or administrative staff for the General Service Administration.

    Not wanting the government to supply health care to everyone != not wanting employers to help supplement health care cost of employees



    And guess what, they likely voted for him to limit that option. I know I voted for my guy to limit my option. Actually, most of the recent votes I've cast was to limit my options that the government provides. Because I think that would be BETTER for me and the country than the alternative.



    No, he has an employer that offers health insurance. Some of his constitutents have employers that offer health insurance. If he didn't have an employer, he wouldn't have someone helping with health insurance, just like his constituents.

    You're trying to compare the government providing insurance for everyone to employers helping subsidize a persons health care plan. Those things are as different as employees offering bathrooms to their employees to use and people just being allowed to piss in the streets.
    actually, zyph, you are taking this far too seriously. it started out as something kinda funny, at least to me.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Freshman GOPer: Hey, Where's My Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    actually, zyph, you are taking this far too seriously. it started out as something kinda funny, at least to me.
    Of course he is.. one of his heros got caught with his pants down, so he has to defend him with what ever means necessary.

    As for the OP post... typical right wing hypocrite.
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    Re: Freshman GOPer: Hey, Where's My Health Care?

    I think the issue is really this:

    Congressman/Senator-elect comes to DC joking or otherwise about receiving his free gov't health care yet campaigned against the citizens having same at gov't's expense. Those who desperately need health care see this as a slap in the face, whether he was joking or not, whether the situation happened exactly as reported or not.

    I think most Americans understand that elected public officials, specifically those elected to Congress, are employed by the People. As such, our tax dollars go to pay for the very employee benefits they enjoy. I think what most middle-class Americans have been saying concerning government-sponsored health care is, "If it's good enough for you, why isn't it good enough for me? Why can't I have good, high quality health care that is on par with what my tax dollars pay for you, Mr/Mrs. Congressman/woman/Senator?" It's the very reason many people pushed to ensure that our elected officials in Washington had to get their health care from the very same source as they expect us to obtain it - via the HIEs. But to have a Congressman/Senator-elect come to DC and on his first day seek to obtain the very "entitlement" he campaigned against...

    That's wrong!

    The counter-argument, in-part, has been remove employer-sponsored health care and allow employees to either fund their own health care using health savings accounts or purchase their health insurance on the open market. Either wouldn't be bad ideas if the insurance markets would change their practises and allow individuals to become part of "group" plans or just purchase individual policies like we do with auto or home/renters insurance. But the health insurance/health care system won't reliquish that market power base. Thus, the only real way for middle-class Americans (if not all Americans) to obtain government-sponsored health care would be if the majority agreed to have a portion of our income tax go towards government-run health care. Otherwise, it will never happen.

    And so, we get what we have here...hypocrisy at it's finest. Vote/campaign again the citizens receiving gov't run health care, but as a newly elected member to Congress my taxpayer funded health care had better be there.
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    Re: Freshman GOPer: Hey, Where's My Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    actually, zyph, you are taking this far too seriously. it started out as something kinda funny, at least to me.
    There really is nothing funny about it, unless you stretch the facts beyond all recognition. He was a new employee inquiring about his health care benefits. That's standard practice for anyone taking on a new job. His stance on creating a massive new entitlement program is irrelevant. As Zyph said, if you can find a campaign statement where he said he was in favor of repealing health care benefits for federal employees, then, yes, he would be a hypocrite of the highest degree.

    As for the people he works for, the Republicans have been openly against Obamacare since day one. The people who elected him knew this and apparently agreed with him, but I'm willing to wager they didn't elect him with the expecation that he decline his benefits as a federal employee. The only people who find this "amusing" or "hypocritical" are the ones so blinded by partisanship that they can't look at the facts objectively.
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    Re: Freshman GOPer: Hey, Where's My Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    There really is nothing funny about it, unless you stretch the facts beyond all recognition. He was a new employee inquiring about his health care benefits. That's standard practice for anyone taking on a new job. His stance on creating a massive new entitlement program is irrelevant. As Zyph said, if you can find a campaign statement where he said he was in favor of repealing health care benefits for federal employees, then, yes, he would be a hypocrite of the highest degree.

    As for the people he works for, the Republicans have been openly against Obamacare since day one. The people who elected him knew this and apparently agreed with him, but I'm willing to wager they didn't elect him with the expecation that he decline his benefits as a federal employee. The only people who find this "amusing" or "hypocritical" are the ones so blinded by partisanship that they can't look at the facts objectively.
    or just possibly, some people really don't give a **** and just think it's funny. everything isn't life or death, you know.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Freshman GOPer: Hey, Where's My Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you are correct, except when that new employee wants to deny others healthcare.
    Yes.. GOPers want to deny everyone health care... yup.. you sure know what you're talking about alrighty.

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    Re: Freshman GOPer: Hey, Where's My Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Yes.. GOPers want to deny everyone health care... yup.. you sure know what you're talking about alrighty.
    now, now, did i post EVERYONE? of course not.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Freshman GOPer: Hey, Where's My Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    actually, zyph, you are taking this far too seriously. it started out as something kinda funny, at least to me.
    Ahh. My fault. We were all just joking around and not making accusational statements about the situation without any indication of joking. Lets me go back and look at it with a better eye.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you are correct, except when that new employee wants to deny others healthcare.
    OH! I get it...its funny cause...um.....eh........

    Okay, sorry liblady, I don't see anything anywhere in your post or others indicating this was a joke or people just having fun with it unless by "having fun" you mean "Railing agaisnt republicans as hypocrites when its not really the case".

    What the guy did has nothing to do with government supplied health care for the masses. You and others tried to play the guy out as some kind of hypocrite or two face and then when got called on it are now back tracking. The post was in the *BN* Blogs section, not the lighter side. Discussion of it wasn't littered with winky emoticons or tons of honest LOL's indicating that everything was in fun. I see a lot of people trying to make a point that somehow this is hypocritical of republicans to have such a stance, and on a debate site I'm treating it as an actual topic and responding as such.

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    Re: Freshman GOPer: Hey, Where's My Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    now, now, did i post EVERYONE? of course not.
    You're absolutely correct. You just stated he wanted to deny it to citizens. You never mentioned foriegners or illegal immigrants so I guess technically you're right. Silly of him.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    but he does want to deny healthcare to citizens

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    Re: Freshman GOPer: Hey, Where's My Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Of course he is.. one of his heros got caught with his pants down, so he has to defend him with what ever means necessary.
    Hero? I don't even know who the **** he is. I know this may shock the hell out of you Pete but in general random ass politicians aren't my "hero". I don't know what standards you may hold to dub such a title on people in your country, but generally I know few people here in America who view politicians as "heroes".

    As for the OP post... typical right wing hypocrite.
    Please Pete, since you seem so thuroughly knowledgable about this situation, might we see a quote of this gentleman speaking against employers subsidizing health care costs or federal employees being denied subsidized health care plans?

    If not, then at least be honest and show some integrity and admit you're spewing utter bull**** and slander in attempting to accuse him of hypocrisy when there's clearly none there.

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