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    Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Obama fails again. The administrarion screwed up and does not know how to have a trial. Should have stayed with Military Tribunal.

    Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says - Bloomberg


    The accused mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, may remain behind bars without trial indefinitely because of disagreement over his trial location, according to the Washington Post.

    The Obama administration has concluded it can’t go ahead with its original plan to have the trial in federal court in New York because of opposition from lawmakers and local officials, the Post said. There is little support for reviving an effort to hold a military trial at Guantanamo Bay, according to the Post.
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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    First the plans for the show trial in NYC that was one giant political miscalculation. And now this. Detainees at Gitmo will still be here in 2012 as well.

    Besides being a President with horribly misguided goals, Obama is about as inept at politics as one could possibly be. Its like a new political stumble every week with the assclown.

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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    1) Good for Obama.
    2) Can't wait to see Glenn Greenwald and Keith Olbermann POOP THEMSELVES WITH RAGE.
    3) Also can't wait to see some other people offer explanations for why Bush was a war criminal when he did this, but now that Obama's doing it, it's no biggie.

    Edit: Oh, it's here, and it's delightful:

    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...als/index.html

    If it were true -- as most Obama defenders argued -- that giving civilian trials to accused Terrorists is not merely a good option, but required by the Constitution, the rule of law, and our values, then isn't it logically and necessarily true that Obama's refusal to grant such trials constitutes a violation of our Constitution, our rule of law and our values? And if so, doesn't this require rather severe condemnation from the same people who defended civilian trials as necessary under our system of government? After all, if the President is violating our Constitution, the rule of law, and our values, isn't that cause for some rather serious protest and denunciation, no matter his motives?

    It's true that this Post article relies on anonymous administration officials and notes that a final decision has not yet been made, but at some point, keeping Mohammed in a cage without a trial for a long enough time constitutes lawless, indefinite imprisonment whether the President formally announces it or not. We're clearly at that point. And, of course, it's long been reported that the President has decided to hold at least 50 other detainees at Guantanamo indefinitely without a trial or even a military commission. Imprisoning people without trials or even military tribunals is clearly the policy of this President.

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    [M]ore important, the mandates of the Constitution and the rule of law aren't supposed to be waived for political expediency. That premise was the centerpiece of the Obama campaign -- remember? As Sargent wrote:

    One of Obama’s most powerfully stated principles has been his rejection of the Cheney world view -- his insistence that the choice between upholding American legal traditions and the rule of law and maintaining our national security is a false one. If Obama does decide to try Mohammed in a military tribunal, won't the implicit message to the public be that there just may be something to what the Cheneyites have been arguing all along?
    But now, it appears Obama isn't even merely putting Mohammed "in a military tribunal," but far worse, simply imprisoning him indefinitely with no process at all, based on the same "war" theories that Bush and Cheney used to defend the same policy, to such great controversy and outrage.
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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Speaking of KSM behind bars...

    It's been a year now since the public announcement, but Congress has not yet allocated the requisite funds to purchase and upgrade the empty Thomson Correctional Center in Illinois. This is the supermax facility where Gitmo detainees were supposed to be incarcerated in the United States. Nothing has happened. Gitmo has not been closed, and Thomson has not been acquired.


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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Speaking of KSM behind bars...

    It's been a year now since the public announcement, but Congress has not yet allocated the requisite funds to purchase and upgrade the empty Thomson Correctional Center in Illinois. This is the supermax facility where Gitmo detainees were supposed to be incarcerated in the United States. Nothing has happened. Gitmo has not been closed, and Thomson has not been acquired.

    I think that whole idea fell on its political face as well. It would have been a drop in the bucket to acquire it with Stimulus money, and if I remember correctly, one of the original selling points was how it would create jobs in that area. But Durbin and other pols from that region soon dropped it like a hot potato.

    And so we keep Gitmo. And trials seemingly on eternal hold. And not a Dem out there is making a peep about it, while it was a major club against Bush not too long ago.

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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Why does a supermax prison need upgrades to hold suspected terrorists? KSM isn't Lex Luthor. These guys are in custody, why are we still afraid of them? Remember how people reacted to the idea of holding the trials in NYC? OMG CHAOS! Endangering the people of New York! KSM might go Incredible Hulk and break out of his shackles and EAT THE JUDGE! Our bullets will be useless!

    Apparently, officials in New York refusing to hold the trial there is somehow Obama's personal screwup. Love it. Obama Derangement Syndrome is all the rage these days.

    **** it. Hold the trial in my apartment. See if I care. I'll serve popcorn. We can't just hold these people indefinitely without trial, because this is America and we don't work that way.
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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Apparently, officials in New York refusing to hold the trial there is somehow Obama's personal screwup. Love it. Obama Derangement Syndrome is all the rage these days.
    It is his personal fault. He is the Commander-in-Chief, is he not? It was his choice to hold civilian trials, instead of military tribunal, was it not?

    He... ****ed... up.

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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why does a supermax prison need upgrades to hold suspected terrorists? KSM isn't Lex Luthor. These guys are in custody, why are we still afraid of them? Remember how people reacted to the idea of holding the trials in NYC? OMG CHAOS! Endangering the people of New York! KSM might go Incredible Hulk and break out of his shackles and EAT THE JUDGE! Our bullets will be useless!

    Apparently, officials in New York refusing to hold the trial there is somehow Obama's personal screwup. Love it. Obama Derangement Syndrome is all the rage these days.

    **** it. Hold the trial in my apartment. See if I care. I'll serve popcorn. We can't just hold these people indefinitely without trial, because this is America and we don't work that way.
    Of course ksm is not capable of going "Hulk". The issue I see is what will his followers do? If it was held in your apartment (or court house), how to you ensure some nut doesn't blow the building up or do damage to the public (shooting, etc). Military court is fine with me.
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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why does a supermax prison need upgrades to hold suspected terrorists?
    The facility has been dormant for years. The federal government estimated a six month period would be required after purchase to test out all of the security systems and hire/train the prison staff. I imagine the upgrades would feature greater redundancy... more video-cams, motion sensors, etc.

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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why does a supermax prison need upgrades to hold suspected terrorists? KSM isn't Lex Luthor. These guys are in custody, why are we still afraid of them? Remember how people reacted to the idea of holding the trials in NYC? OMG CHAOS! Endangering the people of New York! KSM might go Incredible Hulk and break out of his shackles and EAT THE JUDGE! Our bullets will be useless!

    Apparently, officials in New York refusing to hold the trial there is somehow Obama's personal screwup. Love it. Obama Derangement Syndrome is all the rage these days.

    **** it. Hold the trial in my apartment. See if I care. I'll serve popcorn. We can't just hold these people indefinitely without trial, because this is America and we don't work that way.
    The screw up is saying things without a plan or a backup. We see this with both Gitmo and these trials. Shows how not qualified these people are for their jobs.

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