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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Apparently, officials in New York refusing to hold the trial there is somehow Obama's personal screwup. Love it. Obama Derangement Syndrome is all the rage these days.

    **** it. Hold the trial in my apartment. See if I care. I'll serve popcorn. We can't just hold these people indefinitely without trial, because this is America and we don't work that way.
    Let's help you out here. KSM was to be tried in FEDERAL COURT. The plan was announced by his AG Eric Holder. At first, most NY pols were mum about it, although Bloomberg supported it in the beginning, but now a year later, gov elect Cuomo, Sen's Shumer and Gillibrand are also against it.

    Now here is the toughie for you. NY did not "refuse" to have the trial there, as you state, as it is Federal Court. Do you think that the Obama Administration might have wanted to sound this out a bit better politically, as that seems to be their motivation now to not go ahead with this ? In any case, it is not as you state. It is Obama's screw-up. Do you understand now ?
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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Big show after Obama was inaugurated, then the epic fail with the NY trials. Troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Drone attacks... where are the protesters?!

    When will we hear libs make that clarion call... Obama lied, people died?

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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The Obama administration has concluded it can’t go ahead with its original plan to have the trial in federal court in New York because of opposition from lawmakers and local officials, the Post said. There is little support for reviving an effort to hold a military trial at Guantanamo Bay, according to the Post.
    Message to Michael Moore: here's an example where Obama "took off the pink tutu." Guess what? It didn't make the decision more popular with voters, or with those in his own party. They don't have a problem with Obama being soft when it comes to implementing a policy, they have a problem with the policy itself.

    Now instead of a compromise (trial at Guantanamo), it sounds like there will be no trial at all and he'll simply be held indefinitely. How's that for justice? Although the Pentagon dropped all military charges against Mohammed back in January, they did so "without prejudice" - so in theory they could still go forward with the Bush plan for a military tribunal.

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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Let's help you out here. KSM was to be tried in FEDERAL COURT. The plan was announced by his AG Eric Holder. At first, most NY pols were mum about it, although Bloomberg supported it in the beginning, but now a year later, gov elect Cuomo, Sen's Shumer and Gillibrand are also against it.

    Now here is the toughie for you. NY did not "refuse" to have the trial there, as you state, as it is Federal Court. Do you think that the Obama Administration might have wanted to sound this out a bit better politically, as that seems to be their motivation now to not go ahead with this ? In any case, it is not as you state. It is Obama's screw-up. Do you understand now ?
    If they'd had the trial in New York, you'd be calling that a screwup too.
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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If they'd had the trial in New York, you'd be calling that a screwup too.
    Maybe you could just get the facts straight when you post

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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Apparently, officials in New York refusing to hold the trial there is somehow Obama's personal screwup. Love it. Obama Derangement Syndrome is all the rage these days.
    This is exactly the type of response that Greenwald is talking about:

    It's also true that there is substantial political opposition to giving civilian trials to the 9/11 Defendants -- even Andrew Cuomo, safely elected as New York's Governor, has now joined other leading Democrats by announcing his opposition to trials in New York -- but the Federal Government doesn't need the permission of local authorities to use its own courthouses, and more important, the mandates of the Constitution and the rule of law aren't supposed to be waived for political expediency. That premise was the centerpiece of the Obama campaign -- remember?
    If we're using pithy names, it sounds more like Obama Defender Syndrome to me.
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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This is exactly the type of response that Greenwald is talking about:



    If we're using pithy names, it sounds more like Obama Defender Syndrome to me.
    Ok, so Obama talked about holding the trial in NYC. People freaked out. Obama said "Ok, we wont do it in NYC because you all freaked out."

    Now people are freaking out about that.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ok, so Obama talked about holding the trial in NYC. People freaked out. Obama said "Ok, we wont do it in NYC because you all freaked out."

    Now people are freaking out about that.
    It's the fact that people aren't freaking out that is so disingenuous:

    If it were true -- as most Obama defenders argued -- that giving civilian trials to accused Terrorists is not merely a good option, but required by the Constitution, the rule of law, and our values, then isn't it logically and necessarily true that Obama's refusal to grant such trials constitutes a violation of our Constitution, our rule of law and our values? And if so, doesn't this require rather severe condemnation from the same people who defended civilian trials as necessary under our system of government? After all, if the President is violating our Constitution, the rule of law, and our values, isn't that cause for some rather serious protest and denunciation, no matter his motives?

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    [M]ore important, the mandates of the Constitution and the rule of law aren't supposed to be waived for political expediency. That premise was the centerpiece of the Obama campaign -- remember?
    The point is that when Bush did it, those on the left accused him of serious human rights violations and claimed that he was violating the Constitution. That outrage helped elect Obama, who promised to end those atrocities. Now he's continuing them.

    The people who freaked out about Bush should be freaking out about Obama. If they're not, then I guess they didn't really give a **** in the first place and they should just be written off as hypocrites.
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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ok, so Obama talked about holding the trial in NYC. People freaked out. Obama said "Ok, we wont do it in NYC because you all freaked out."

    Now people are freaking out about that.
    Does this make you feel that Obama knows what he is doing ?

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    Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 9/11 Mastermind, Unlikely to Have Trial, Post Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Does this make you feel that Obama knows what he is doing ?
    After public outcry, politician changes his mind. Isn't that sometimes called listening to the people?

    It's bad when Obama does it, it's bad when he doesn't do it. So typical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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