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    Re: Great Michael Moore advice to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I wonder if it is too late for this ... but we can hope.

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    I was hoping he was suggesting he quit. It would be the first time I'd have agreed with the blowhard.

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    Re: Great Michael Moore advice to Obama

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    I was hoping he was suggesting he quit. It would be the first time I'd have agreed with the blowhard.

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    I can imagine you would not be too happy with advice that the fight like hell against the GOP.
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    Re: Great Michael Moore advice to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I can imagine you would not be too happy with advice that the fight like hell against the GOP.
    I am not happy with socialists, Republicans, RINOs or any other life form pushing the drug of socialism.
    I didn't like it when Bush did it, and didn't like McCain's "tone" either.
    It's not party... it's ideology, and Dems seem to have a pretty good grip on the market of pushing poison.

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    Re: Great Michael Moore advice to Obama

    Michael Moore is an historic figure in American politics. He singlehandedly made it legitimate to use a foreign war for domestic political purposes. He was very successful in using the Second Iraq War as a mechanism to transform GWB from president to caretaker. In doing so, Micheal Moore established a precedent that is now in effect.

    Because of Michael Moore's actions it is now completely legitimate for conservatives to use the War in Afghanistan for domestic political purposes against Barack Obama. Obama is being transformed from president to caretaker.

    What is the moral of this story? America can no longer fight wars because those not in power will act as Fifth Columnists against those who are in power. This means that whatever happens, we never fight.

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    Re: Great Michael Moore advice to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Michael Moore is an historic figure in American politics. He singlehandedly made it legitimate to use a foreign war for domestic political purposes. He was very successful in using the Second Iraq War as a mechanism to transform GWB from president to caretaker. In doing so, Micheal Moore established a precedent that is now in effect.

    Because of Michael Moore's actions it is now completely legitimate for conservatives to use the War in Afghanistan for domestic political purposes against Barack Obama. Obama is being transformed from president to caretaker.

    What is the moral of this story? America can no longer fight wars because those not in power will act as Fifth Columnists against those who are in power. This means that whatever happens, we never fight.
    Yeah, Moore was really effective during Vietman as well.

    The fact is long wars for no reason generally don't play well with a democracy. Any president seeking to engage in such war needs to do so quickly. Without clear justification, the war will always be a negative. Which is yet one more reason why Bush should have thought more and been less reckless.

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    Re: Great Michael Moore advice to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yeah, Moore was really effective during Vietman as well.

    The fact is long wars for no reason generally don't play well with a democracy. Any president seeking to engage in such war needs to do so quickly. Without clear justification, the war will always be a negative. Which is yet one more reason why Bush should have thought more and been less reckless.
    Your mention of Vietnam only substantiates the point being made by Albert Di Salvo.

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    Re: Great Michael Moore advice to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Your mention of Vietnam only substantiates the point being made by Albert Di Salvo.
    BY all means, explain exactly how Moore bought down VN.


    But more, VN supports my point. We had no just cause to be in VN, and it didn't fly. It wasn't like WWII or any just action, not even a declared war. Too often we've failed to declare wars because there wasn't really any just cause for a war, so we cheated and tried to hid aggression, as if people wouldn't notice.

    It is Moore or anyone like him as much as it is that in a democracy, such poor excuses for military action simply won't hold up. People don't want to be at war without reason of just cause. And they get to speak. Freedom.

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    Re: Great Michael Moore advice to Obama

    BY all means, explain exactly how Moore bought down VN.
    Don't be deliberately foolish, okay Boo Radley? It's just a waste of time.

    Albert Di Salvo said, without any mention of Michael Moore,

    "What is the moral of this story? America can no longer fight wars because those not in power will act as Fifth Columnists against those who are in power. This means that whatever happens, we never fight".

    That is what happened in Vietnam. The United States could have easily won but were defeated by the Fifth Column at home. This harmed America's reputation internationally, as Nixon predicted it would, and it still suffers as a consequence today.

    As a result of this domestic weakness the United States can expect more attacks, and casualties. The greatest lesson learned from Vietnam was absorbed by your enemies, though by very few Americans it seems.

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    Re: Great Michael Moore advice to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That is what happened in Vietnam. The United States could have easily won but were defeated by the Fifth Column at home. This harmed America's reputation internationally, as Nixon predicted it would, and it still suffers as a consequence today.

    As a result of this domestic weakness the United States can expect more attacks, and casualties. The greatest lesson learned from Vietnam was absorbed by your enemies, though by very few Americans it seems.

    LOL, you are kidding right? Did you actually type that with a straight face? I suggest you watch the highly touted documentary, "The Fog of War."
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    Re: Great Michael Moore advice to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Don't be deliberately foolish, okay Boo Radley? It's just a waste of time.

    Albert Di Salvo said, without any mention of Michael Moore,

    "What is the moral of this story? America can no longer fight wars because those not in power will act as Fifth Columnists against those who are in power. This means that whatever happens, we never fight".

    That is what happened in Vietnam. The United States could have easily won but were defeated by the Fifth Column at home. This harmed America's reputation internationally, as Nixon predicted it would, and it still suffers as a consequence today.

    As a result of this domestic weakness the United States can expect more attacks, and casualties. The greatest lesson learned from Vietnam was absorbed by your enemies, though by very few Americans it seems.
    Moore was the story he told, so when he says the moral of the story, he is mentioning Moore.

    Now, as for VN, I was alive then. And I've actually been involved in formal study of the war. Winning would have required something amounting to genocide, as it wasn't about taking territory or anything traditional. We shouldn't have been involved in the first place, had no clear or justifiable reason for being there, and a free society just isn't going to support that type of war for very long. Better to not involve our self in such conflicts and not just bl;ame others for our recklessness.

    And I would say you and the orginal poster really haven't learned the actual lesson. Sadly.

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