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    Re: George Bush Book 'Decision Points' Lifted From Advisers' Books

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    No, I'm saying they are nit picking because of who he is. They are seriously biased and probably found great joy in picking his book apart. Maybe hoping for a bonus from their sugar daddy.
    Ok, if this is what passes for logic in your world, which "sugar daddy" were the Republiturds sucking up to when they "picked apart" Obama for any number of things, for example, his not wearing flippin' flag pin on certain particular days, hmmm?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Got any other source besides HP, Media Matters or anything not funded by Soros?
    WTF are you talking about? I've not introduced nor supported any sources. This is about Dubya putting his name to a VERY poorly ghostwritten book.

    And before you get all up in my face about ghostwritten books, you should know I have three to my name. I kinda know what I'm talking about here.

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    Re: George Bush Book 'Decision Points' Lifted From Advisers' Books

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Red-Eye 's on Fox in 45 min. Gutfeld is funnier than Maher any day and he doesn't make you want to throw stuff at the TV.
    Yes, he can definitely get frustrating! But I also think it's hilarious when he starts all that oozing and squinting in his chair as he's making what he thinks is some brilliant insight...I mean, he's just full of himself...and then out pops something just totally idiotic.

    Like his take on the massive election defeat:
    Bill Maher:
    What does that tell you? You know, it tells me that this election was lost when Obama didnít back the public option. To me, that was the one key thing that said to the people Ė You know what? This is no different than the Al Gore Democrats, the old Al Gore playbook. "Letís run from our achievements. And letís not stand for what we believe in."
    Yes Bill... people fled in droves to Conservative Republicans and Tea Party candidates because they were pissed about the Dems not standing up for themselves and not backing the public option.

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    Re: George Bush Book 'Decision Points' Lifted From Advisers' Books

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Yes, he can definitely get frustrating! But I also think it's hilarious when he starts all that oozing and squinting in his chair as he's making what he thinks is some brilliant insight...I mean, he's just full of himself...and then out pops something just totally idiotic.

    Like his take on the massive election defeat:

    Yes Bill... people fled in droves to Conservative Republicans and Tea Party candidates because they were pissed about the Dems not standing up for themselves and not backing the public option.
    He's not alone in his stupidy. I've heard lots of them say it was because they didn't do "enough". The whole time I was screaming SLOW Down, Please slow down. Whoa, STOP DAMN it we're going off a cliff! I'm so thankful that I can breathe a bit now. There's not much chance now that they'll be cramming through a cap and trade bill or any other monstrosity.
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    Re: George Bush Book 'Decision Points' Lifted From Advisers' Books

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    But pbrauer... please keep these threads coming. I do like to giggle, and sadly, tonight was the last episode of Politically Incorrect until January.

    It's a good thing Michael Moore was on the panel this week! Just about everything that came out of his mouth was either wrong or just plain stupid.
    It's actually Real Time, and I can't wait until it comes back. Maher is hillarious.

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    Re: George Bush Book 'Decision Points' Lifted From Advisers' Books

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    He's not alone in his stupidy. I've heard lots of them say it was because they didn't do "enough".
    Hahah... To support that claim, many (both Maher and Moore tonight) make the bone-headed assumption that because moderate blue dogs were voted out and liberal dems were not - that the country as a whole prefers liberals. Never mind what states blue dogs come from, or why the blue dogs were elected in the first place.

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    It's actually Real Time, and I can't wait until it comes back. Maher is hillarious.
    Oh you're right! Politically Incorrect was the name of his older show that Christine O'Donnell was on.

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    Re: George Bush Book 'Decision Points' Lifted From Advisers' Books

    This is the kind of review you get from Huffington post if you're a liberal, friend to Soros and you are not George Bush. It's full of pandering and not one snarky comment. They couldn't even leave Bush out of AG"s review. Geez...They are still saying Bush stole the election.


    Gore has been engaged in that truth-telling for more than two decades, and one mark of his greatness is that he's kept up with the science. Twice in this volume he invokes the figure 350, as in parts per million co2, an inconvenient new truth that our best scientists have been setting forward as the maximum amount of carbon that the atmosphere can safely contain. It would have been easy for Gore to punt on the cutting edge stuff--easier to stick within the safe confines of the UN negotiation process. But he recognizes the need for active, dramatic campaigning on these issues--my only sadness with this book is that he doesn't bring more of that expertise to bear. A man who has run and won national campaigns (even if he didn't get the office to which he'd been elected) has much useful to say about how to drive these points home with ordinary voters.
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    Re: George Bush Book 'Decision Points' Lifted From Advisers' Books

    I love how the libbies are all in a knot over Bush using a ghost writer, when it's common practice in politics and elsewhere. I doubt they understand the concept of ghostwriting fully. The ghost writer does NOT write the book on their own, with no input from the credited author. It's a collaboration. A 'necessary evil', if you will, due to time constraints of the industry.

    Of course, I doubt the libbes will agree... ghostwriting is lying! he's not even smart enough to write his own book! etc etc etc.

    A comparison of Ayers and Obama writings was done using techniques called QSUM (Cumulative Sum Technique) and FRES (Fleish Reading Ease Score). Through these techniques and direct textual comparisons of Obama's 'Dreams of My Father' and Ayers 'Fugitive Days', it appears very likely that Ayer's was the ghost writer for Obama.
    Ghostwriting and the political book culture - Los Angeles Times
    From U.S. Grant to Eleanor Roosevelt to Laura Bush and many others, their own words are often put on the page by others.

    This might seem like a story designed to rally supporters of serious writing and thinking: A political figure who actually crafts her own words, who stands up to lazy editors and stands on her convictions. But what would those supporters make of Roosevelt's various assistants? To complete "This I Remember," she relied on them not only to edit and offer advice but to dig through her files for anecdotes and stories, to compile questions to spur her memory ó even to organize and outline her responses.

    The point is, even politicians who write their own books don't write them alone, and we'd be better off looking past ghostwriting to the real problems behind political books.
    Every political book, in other words, involves a degree of collaboration. But so does every book, period. This should be easier to see today, when many works are less weighty, well-reasoned tomes than multimedia launching platforms. And yet you can always find someone, usually a professional writer, willing to bash ghostwriting. These critics may start by pointing out how nice it is when politicians write their own books (and I agree, when the politician can write a good book). But their attacks quickly turn visceral. And ghostwriting quickly turns into a symbol of our political and cultural decline.
    With all of these external factors (and this is just a partial list), political ghostwriting becomes a byproduct not of laziness but of logistics. It's a symptom, not a disease. After all, Laura Bush, one of our more literate and literary first ladies, turned to a ghostwriter while working on her new memoir, "Spoken from the Heart." Lyric Winik, Bush writes in her acknowledgments, "helped me put my story into words." If Bush needed the help, what political figure wouldn't?
    Just last month, it came out that Winik also will be helping Scott Brown with his new book (due in early 2011). But it's far more telling that Bush and Brown share another connection: Robert Barnett, the D.C. mega agent who has secured multimillion-dollar book deals for Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Barack Obama, both Clintons and many, many more.

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    Re: George Bush Book 'Decision Points' Lifted From Advisers' Books

    Ghost Stories | The American Prospect
    George Washington's most famous speech, the Farewell Address (1796), wasn't actually a speech -- it appeared, over the course of a few weeks, in almost every American newspaper. The address wasn't Washington's, either. Alexander Hamilton, with assists from Washington and James Madison, did most of the writing.
    I guess Washington was just too lazy or stupid to write it himself.

    In the years after Washington's death, readers continued to assume that the first president alone had written the Farewell Address. By 1810, though, Hamilton's authorship was being noted in private letters and public gossip
    Hmmm, more insidious ghost writing. How sad for America.

    Warren Harding, the first president to employ a full-time ghostwriter.
    Must have been a moron, huh.

    Franklin D. Roosevelt pioneered the ghostwriting-by-committee approach -- historians still argue about which aide coined the "new deal" phrase -- but, for his first inaugural, he looked to one man: Raymond Moley. Moley typed up a draft and, the next night, revised it with Roosevelt, watching as the president-elect copied it onto a legal pad. When they finished, Moley threw his initial text into the fireplace and said, "This is your speech now."
    FDR too? Say it ain't so!

    By 1927, when the Authors' League held a meeting on ghostwritten celebrity books, the consensus was that "the public was at one time completely credulous on the point. Now it seems unlikely that it believes in any of the noted athletes, singers or politicians who break out in print."
    For readers, in other words, a political book's impact matters more than its authorship -- and nowhere was this clearer than during the postwar period, which saw a series of popular political books, all best-sellers, all instrumental in shaping their authors' careers. Dwight Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe (1948), Barry Goldwater's Conscience of a Conservative (1960), and Richard Nixon's Six Crises (1962) relied on ghostwriters to varying degrees; no one cared. Jimmy Carter wrote Why Not the Best? (1975) without any help; no one cared about that, either.

    Almost forgot this part...

    Indeed, most recent attempts to scandalize ghostwriting reflect partisan motives or divisive personalities more than any underlying anxieties about ghostwriting. When Hillary Clinton opted not to thank her ghostwriter in the acknowledgments of It Takes a Village (1996), it became a mini crisis; when Howard Dean repeated her mistake in Winning Back America (2003), only Newsweek noticed.
    That sound like anyone we know?

    And LOOK! Demmies use ghostwriters too! I guess they are just to lazy to do it themselves, right folks?
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    Re: George Bush Book 'Decision Points' Lifted From Advisers' Books

    The best part is, we aren't even treated to the information regarding how the book is formatted. If it has citations and references, it is standard writing. By reading this article, one gets the impression that it should constantly be referred to in the first person, with no explicit references. All memoirs would be written in the style of Catherine the Great.

    This is lazy writing, and people like pbrauer are ironically illiterate when it comes to scholarly work or writing while using the same trite stereotypes of George W. Bush. I suppose it would still make for good lotion for liberals to wank to.
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