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    Re: Nader unites us all in the fight against ‘federal fondlers’

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Wow, I didn't know Libertarians supported govt subsidies....
    Government subsidies?

    No, the price of petroleum is based on supply and demand. Reduce the supply by even 10%, and the price will skyrocket, just like it did in the '70s. Nothing I posted has a thing to do with government subsidies.
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    Re: Nader unites us all in the fight against ‘federal fondlers’

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    Government subsidies?

    No, the price of petroleum is based on supply and demand. Reduce the supply by even 10%, and the price will skyrocket, just like it did in the '70s. Nothing I posted has a thing to do with government subsidies.
    Well if it is that simple, we should cut demand first....lower speed limits on freeways to 65, secondary highways to 55....
    Then when we have demand reduced, make the Saudis the recipient of our lower demand.
    Carter cut speed limits, why can't Obama?
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    Re: Nader unites us all in the fight against ‘federal fondlers’

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Well if it is that simple, we should cut demand first....lower speed limits on freeways to 65, secondary highways to 55....
    Then when we have demand reduced, make the Saudis the recipient of our lower demand.
    Carter cut speed limits, why can't Obama?
    Yes, Carter cut speed limits. What neither he nor any one else has been able to do, at least here in California, is cut the actual speed of traffic. Most people thing the speed limit is the minimum speed anyway.
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    Re: Nader unites us all in the fight against ‘federal fondlers’

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    Yes, Carter cut speed limits. What neither he nor any one else has been able to do, at least here in California, is cut the actual speed of traffic. Most people thing the speed limit is the minimum speed anyway.
    Well, I got a ticket on the freeway doing 68 in a 55.....long time ago, of course.
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    Re: Nader unites us all in the fight against ‘federal fondlers’

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Well if it is that simple, we should cut demand first....lower speed limits on freeways to 65, secondary highways to 55....
    Then when we have demand reduced, make the Saudis the recipient of our lower demand.
    Carter cut speed limits, why can't Obama?
    Nice idea, but it doesn't work. When Carter reduced demand, it was the US oil rigs that shut down. At that time, it cost about $5 to lift a barrel of oil out of the ground in Saudi and an average of about $15 a barrel in the US, and the high cost production got cut first.

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    Re: Nader unites us all in the fight against ‘federal fondlers’

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    Nice idea, but it doesn't work. When Carter reduced demand, it was the US oil rigs that shut down. At that time, it cost about $5 to lift a barrel of oil out of the ground in Saudi and an average of about $15 a barrel in the US, and the high cost production got cut first.

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    How does that work? especially since SA imports enough foreign workers such that a third of the population are "guest workers".
    End result is that we are paying those guest workers by buying SA oil. IMO, SA should have taken out Saddam. But not only are they too good to do "menial work" for a living, they are also too cowardly to fight their enemies. The USA gets to go over and fight their battles. At least the Saudis should have paid mercenary wages to our troops...
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    Re: Nader unites us all in the fight against ‘federal fondlers’

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    How does that work? especially since SA imports enough foreign workers such that a third of the population are "guest workers".
    End result is that we are paying those guest workers by buying SA oil.
    Saudi oil is light sweet crude, as opposed to heavy stuff pumped in North Dakota (I was once told it sets up at +80 degrees F) or the sulfur-laden stuff we get from Prudhoe bay. It's also quite close to the surface, which means less drilling effort. It's high quality stuff, and so easy to get that we can even ship it across the world for less expense than a lot of our home-grown stuff. The closest we could come to meeting their production costs would be in the Santa Barbara channel, but the econazis prefer their oil spills to occur naturally.

    IMO, SA should have taken out Saddam. But not only are they too good to do "menial work" for a living, they are also too cowardly to fight their enemies. The USA gets to go over and fight their battles. At least the Saudis should have paid mercenary wages to our troops...
    Agreed with your assessment of Arabs. They haven't had a decent general since Saladin, and he was a Kurd. As I recall, though, the Saudis did pick up most of the tab for Gulf War I.
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    Re: Nader unites us all in the fight against ‘federal fondlers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Saudi oil is light sweet crude, as opposed to heavy stuff pumped in North Dakota (I was once told it sets up at +80 degrees F) or the sulfur-laden stuff we get from Prudhoe bay. It's also quite close to the surface, which means less drilling effort. It's high quality stuff, and so easy to get that we can even ship it across the world for less expense than a lot of our home-grown stuff. The closest we could come to meeting their production costs would be in the Santa Barbara channel, but the econazis prefer their oil spills to occur naturally.



    Agreed with your assessment of Arabs. They haven't had a decent general since Saladin, and he was a Kurd. As I recall, though, the Saudis did pick up most of the tab for Gulf War I.
    Now that you mention it, I have read that before. So, what do we do, keep using Saudi oil til it is all gone and then use our own low grade stuff? I really don't think that is wise, not if it costs more American lives. But I hope to live long enough to see it.
    When the Saudis run out of oil, there will be a lot of fertilizer hitting the ventilator.
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    Re: Nader unites us all in the fight against ‘federal fondlers’

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Now that you mention it, I have read that before. So, what do we do, keep using Saudi oil til it is all gone and then use our own low grade stuff? I really don't think that is wise, not if it costs more American lives. But I hope to live long enough to see it.
    When the Saudis run out of oil, there will be a lot of fertilizer hitting the ventilator.
    Unless we begin to get serious about alternative energy, that fertilizer will be flying pretty fast and fairly soon.
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