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Obama Heralds 1.1M Private Sector Jobs Created Since Jan.

That was actually an older story about Canadian doctors returning to Canada. Here's a later one about American doctors moving to Canada. The last line in the story pretty much sums it up.

Doctor drain turns to gain: Physicians move north

Maybe that is what Obama was "heralding", private sector job creation in CANADA! We have a 4 million net job loss in this country since he took office so that has to mean employment was growing somewhere else?
 
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That was actually an older story about Canadian doctors returning to Canada. Here's a later one about American doctors moving to Canada. The last line in the story pretty much sums it up.

Doctor drain turns to gain: Physicians move north

It seems that the US left will support Obamacare, no drilling for oil and unsustainable debt in order to impress their ideology on the United States. The damage it will do the country appears to be dismissed, deliberately ignored or shrugged off. It is no longer what's in the best interest of the country, but how can our (seriously unexamined) ideology win.

They seem to forget what made the United States a magnet for the oppressed for over 200 years and want to turn it into the sort of place from which people once fled. And in fact, like western Europe, that process has begun. While the "tax the rich" scheme may make for short term clever politics it is doing untold damage to America's future. Any time a particular group is being targeted by politicians then that group will seek safe harbour elsewhere, if they can. Now "the rich" (including doctors) will flee, and soon after the upper middle classes. It will destroy the entrepreneurial spirit that made the United States such a great and exciting nation.

All of this is not to Canada's gain, but to the world''s loss.
 
Maybe that is what Obama was "heralding", private sector job creation in CANADA! We have a 4 million net job loss in this country since he took office so that has to mean employment was growing somewhere else?

Canada has about the same rate of employment as the US, if i recall, but our generous social programs hide the fact that there is a lot of work available but people don't feel the need to work yet.

Canada is relying on its natural resources to pay for its present life style, much like Norway perhaps, but I'm not convinced this is good long term strategy. Canada leans naturally to the left so the money we are making now through oil etc. will be going towards demands for more social programs rather than paying off debts or following budgetary guidelines. Any gloating on Canada's part might well be short term, especially if either of the opposition parties get in.
 
There was an expert on a news program a few days back who said most people don't look of work until they get to within a week of benefits ending, which means the extensions of benefits hurts the numbers.

Also keep in mind that if the Government says the rate is 10% it's really closer 15% to 18% because they changed the way these numbers are calculated way back in the 80s when over night the rates dropped dramatically.

As has been said and restated many times there has been no net jobs created in two years and the losses are still a serious net loss.

Our economy is mostly reliant on people felling good about tomorrow if Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Reid would just go away the economy would most likely rebound much faster.
Everything is based on one of the things Obama killed out right for most Americans, one of the many things he promised and failed to deliver because he's in way over his head, and that is Hope.
 
It seems that the US left will support Obamacare, no drilling for oil and unsustainable debt in order to impress their ideology on the United States. The damage it will do the country appears to be dismissed, deliberately ignored or shrugged off. It is no longer what's in the best interest of the country, but how can our (seriously unexamined) ideology win.

They seem to forget what made the United States a magnet for the oppressed for over 200 years and want to turn it into the sort of place from which people once fled. And in fact, like western Europe, that process has begun. While the "tax the rich" scheme may make for short term clever politics it is doing untold damage to America's future. Any time a particular group is being targeted by politicians then that group will seek safe harbour elsewhere, if they can. Now "the rich" (including doctors) will flee, and soon after the upper middle classes. It will destroy the entrepreneurial spirit that made the United States such a great and exciting nation.

All of this is not to Canada's gain, but to the world''s loss.

So, Canada's system is better, is this your argument?
 
No, it's not.

That seems to be your argument. If doctors are leaving here for it, they muct have a better system. Or are doctors just stupid?
 
That seems to be your argument. If doctors are leaving here for it, they muct have a better system. Or are doctors just stupid?

I can't control how what I say might "seem" to you. You asked me "So, Canada's system is better, is this your argument?" and it obviously was not. Your question wasn't clear whether you meant the political system. tax system, immigration system, medical system or what.

Right now Obamacare coupled with the class warfare going on in the United States (tax the rich), as well as the deepening rift between the red and blue states, left vs right, and the overall meanness happening, some people are moving to Canada. The corporate taxes are significantly lower and of course there is easy access to the US market.

If you mean political systems I think the American is better because there is better representation. But the United States has recently undergone the perfect storm, politically, and it could do serious long term harm to this once proud nation. Many can see that.

Right now Canada is benefiting from the ineptness of the American leadership and their policies. I hope this will change and that both countries will be happy and prosper.
 
I can't control how what I say might "seem" to you. You asked me "So, Canada's system is better, is this your argument?" and it obviously was not. Your question wasn't clear whether you meant the political system. tax system, immigration system, medical system or what.

Right now Obamacare coupled with the class warfare going on in the United States (tax the rich), as well as the deepening rift between the red and blue states, left vs right, and the overall meanness happening, some people are moving to Canada. The corporate taxes are significantly lower and of course there is easy access to the US market.

If you mean political systems I think the American is better because there is better representation. But the United States has recently undergone the perfect storm, politically, and it could do serious long term harm to this once proud nation. Many can see that.

Right now Canada is benefiting from the ineptness of the American leadership and their policies. I hope this will change and that both countries will be happy and prosper.

You forget, also business doesn't have to provide healthy insurance.

However, the question followed your post in which you included doctors moving to Canada. For this to be so, doctors would have to favor that system, seeing it as a better option, wouldn't you agree?

And this business moving or leaving the country, do you really suggest this only started under Obama?
 
You forget, also business doesn't have to provide healthy insurance.

However, the question followed your post in which you included doctors moving to Canada. For this to be so, doctors would have to favor that system, seeing it as a better option, wouldn't you agree?

No, it's because doctors are paying thousands of dollars each month for insurance in the states and in Canada they aren't. In the States doctors are "the rich". in Canada they aren't.

And this business moving or leaving the country, do you really suggest this only started under Obama?

Again, i never hinted at any such thing.

Regarding Canada, the first time it happened was with tax dodgers. Now they're arriving in Canada for a broader variety of reasons, as was mentioned above.
 
No, it's because doctors are paying thousands of dollars each month for insurance in the states and in Canada they aren't. In the States doctors are "the rich". in Canada they aren't.



Again, i never hinted at any such thing.

Regarding Canada, the first time it happened was with tax dodgers. Now they're arriving in Canada for a broader variety of reasons, as was mentioned above.

You said doctors were moving to Canada. Your words:

. . . doctors and entrepreneurs also fall under that category, and Canada is getting them.

So, if doctors fall into the category, being sucked out of the US, then you are suggesting that they have a better deal in Canada. And that would be true even if it is because of having to pay higher insurance premiums. (BTW, states have tackled tort reform without any real difference in or savings being noticed. Just saying . . . ).
 
You said doctors were moving to Canada. Your words:

. . . doctors and entrepreneurs also fall under that category, and Canada is getting them.

So, if doctors fall into the category, being sucked out of the US, then you are suggesting that they have a better deal in Canada. And that would be true even if it is because of having to pay higher insurance premiums. (BTW, states have tackled tort reform without any real difference in or savings being noticed. Just saying . . . ).

Sure, whatever you say.
 
Can you not see where you say I am "suggesting" something? What's the matter with you?

Respond to what I say, not what you thing I'm "suggesting". Is that so difficult?

I did. You said doctors were in the group that would leave the country. So, you have to ask why? They would no go to a place worse for them. I'm trying to get you to see why I doubt your claim. I doubt doctors are leaving at all over taxes or anything like that.
 
I did. You said doctors were in the group that would leave the country. So, you have to ask why? They would no go to a place worse for them. I'm trying to get you to see why I doubt your claim. I doubt doctors are leaving at all over taxes or anything like that.

I see not much has changed, you are still diverting from the thread topic and ignore that we have had a net job loss of 4 million since Obama took office and he has added 3 trillion to the debt. Awesome record, don't you think?
 
I see not much has changed, you are still diverting from the thread topic and ignore that we have had a net job loss of 4 million since Obama took office and he has added 3 trillion to the debt. Awesome record, don't you think?

I'm addressing his point directly. I doubt his claim. And I doubt any presidents controls jobs and can't, unless of course you expect the president to hire everyone.
 
I'm addressing his point directly. I doubt his claim. And I doubt any presidents controls jobs and can't, unless of course you expect the president to hire everyone.

Amazing how Bush was accused of destroying the economy and bankrupting the country but now that Obama is in office he doesn't have any affect at all? The economic results we have today are the result of both the President and the Congress which in this case was Democrat controlled. So with a Democrat President and Congress, the Congress rubber stamped the Obama agenda and the results speak for themselves. Obama and Congress have lost 4 million jobs in 2 years. Congratulations, how is that hope and change working out for you?
 
Amazing how Bush was accused of destroying the economy and bankrupting the country but now that Obama is in office he doesn't have any affect at all? The economic results we have today are the result of both the President and the Congress which in this case was Democrat controlled. So with a Democrat President and Congress, the Congress rubber stamped the Obama agenda and the results speak for themselves. Obama and Congress have lost 4 million jobs in 2 years. Congratulations, how is that hope and change working out for you?

You'd be hard pressed to find me actually blaming Bush for anything concerning the economy other than spending tax dollars on two needless wars. What I find incredible is that someone would blame Obama but excuse Bush. The fact is niether controls the economy, but both effected the debt. between the two, if we're going to spend, I'd rather spend it on things like health care and jobs than on needless wars, but that's just me.

But, as I have said, the deficit needs to be addressed, and I think it should be addressed by both cutting spending and increasing taxes. But don't pretend any president controls the economy or the job market.
 
You'd be hard pressed to find me actually blaming Bush for anything concerning the economy other than spending tax dollars on two needless wars. What I find incredible is that someone would blame Obama but excuse Bush. The fact is niether controls the economy, but both effected the debt. between the two, if we're going to spend, I'd rather spend it on things like health care and jobs than on needless wars, but that's just me.

But, as I have said, the deficit needs to be addressed, and I think it should be addressed by both cutting spending and increasing taxes. But don't pretend any president controls the economy or the job market.

Who exactly then affects the economy since you don't believe the President has any influence? Obviously taxes in your world don't affect a consumer driven economy. You actually believe that people with less money spend more because that is what happens when withholding goes up?

What I blame you for is supporting economic policy that costs jobs, not increases incentive to create jobs. I don't think you really have a clue how our econom works, the 4 components, and the affect Congress and the President have on it. Somehow not it is spending cuts and tax increases that will pay down the 14 trillion dollar debt. There is no way you can increase taxes enough to make a dent in the debt without totally destroying the economy. Is that your real goal so the govt. can become bigger and stronger?
 
Who exactly then affects the economy since you don't believe the President has any influence? Obviously taxes in your world don't affect a consumer driven economy. You actually believe that people with less money spend more because that is what happens when withholding goes up?

What I blame you for is supporting economic policy that costs jobs, not increases incentive to create jobs. I don't think you really have a clue how our econom works, the 4 components, and the affect Congress and the President have on it. Somehow not it is spending cuts and tax increases that will pay down the 14 trillion dollar debt. There is no way you can increase taxes enough to make a dent in the debt without totally destroying the economy. Is that your real goal so the govt. can become bigger and stronger?

There are many things that effect the economy. That's why it cycles. Supply, demand, other countries and their cheaper labor and prices, the oil market, the housing market, the stock market, default on debt, interest rates, consumer confidence, are just a few that affect the economy.
 
There are many things that effect the economy. That's why it cycles. Supply, demand, other countries and their cheaper labor and prices, the oil market, the housing market, the stock market, default on debt, interest rates, consumer confidence, are just a few that affect the economy.

So why then do we have a Congress and a President if cycles are all that matter? I believe you are totally naive when it comes to economic issues as apparently you don't believe economic policy by govt. affects labor and prices, the stock market, debt and debt service, interest rates, consumer confidence. Apparently in your dream world govt. is irrelevant.
 
So why then do we have a Congress and a President if cycles are all that matter? I believe you are totally naive when it comes to economic issues as apparently you don't believe economic policy by govt. affects labor and prices, the stock market, debt and debt service, interest rates, consumer confidence. Apparently in your dream world govt. is irrelevant.

Believe it or not, the economy isn't their only reason for being. And while I don't absolutely no effect, I do claim no significant effect. Compared to the other elements, governments role is not enough to control it. If they could, it would never be bad. So, I'm not sure it's not you who is the naive one.
 
Believe it or not, the economy isn't their only reason for being. And while I don't absolutely no effect, I do claim no significant effect. Compared to the other elements, governments role is not enough to control it. If they could, it would never be bad. So, I'm not sure it's not you who is the naive one.

I stand by my statement that you are very naive and really don't know how our economy works. I will put my experience and economic record up against yours any day of the week. Absolutely amazing that you don't believe a 3.6 trillion dollar govt. doesn't affect our economy. "Your" President took a shellacking on Nov. 2, 2010 and every President in history has been affected by economic RESULTS so you are in a minority here believing that the President and Congress have little impact on the economy.
 
I stand by my statement that you are very naive and really don't know how our economy works. I will put my experience and economic record up against yours any day of the week. Absolutely amazing that you don't believe a 3.6 trillion dollar govt. doesn't affect our economy. "Your" President took a shellacking on Nov. 2, 2010 and every President in history has been affected by economic RESULTS so you are in a minority here believing that the President and Congress have little impact on the economy.

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