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    Re: Obama Heralds 1.1M Private Sector Jobs Created Since Jan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    We were losing half a million jobs per month around the changeover to the Obama administration. This is better.
    Well sure, even the worst recovery is better than a recession. Still, if we're going to climb out of this hole, we need to shoot for "good" because "better" isn't cutting it.

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    Re: Obama Heralds 1.1M Private Sector Jobs Created Since Jan.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let's hope not. I still have faith that the smart people behind these risky decisions have contigencies should something go seriously wrong.

    But who am I to worry? I'm just thankful I'm not in or near retirement. I'm not burning through a nest egg I scraped togother over 4 decades because it's earning only pennies in interest - all the while wondering if its value will simply evaporate over a few years of inflation.

    Seniors played a huge role in the recent drubbing (thanks Obamacare) - Obama's approach to improving the economy and reducing the deficit over the next few months may portend his future in 2012.

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    Re: Obama Heralds 1.1M Private Sector Jobs Created Since Jan.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My wife who is a 20 year graphic designer for print news papers lost her job due to down sizing two years ago, and in hopes of lowering our cost of living, as well as get better opportunity to find work, we moved from the North East to SC. Guess what? No jobs for her. She worked a warehouse type job for a year, and now works for a check cashing place temporarily until she can complete training to change careers. This has resulted in her making less than half of what she used to make. So, is she employed? yes. Is it an acceptable job, rate of pay, etc.? hell no!
    First off, why blame the President for a "private company" making the "best economic decision" for their company to save money by downside? It's not like this sort of thing hasn't happened before. In hard economic times or even when the economy is good but the company is struggling (but especially in hard economic times for the nation), lots of companies will take either the "last hired, first fired" approach to cutting staff or layoff those w/tenure but haven't quite reached retirement eligibility status. So, they lay them off to avoid paying retirement benefits. I am sorry that your wife had to go through that, but you can't blame that on the President especially when her firing took place two years ago before any of his economic policies had a chance to take hold. I mean, we're talking about the Fall of 2008 here which was right at the time the economy tanked! And let's be real...your wife was in an industry (news print media) that's been struggling to keep pace with the electronic new media over the last 4-5 years or more. So, again, you can't blame the President for your wife's job loss.

    Now, I applaud her bravery for going back to school and/or seeking retraining because it seems alot of out-of-work Americans will probably have to do that in this down economy. Too that, I'd think your wife would consider taking advantage of some of those education benefits the President resently signed into law which should make it easier for her to get a student loan or grant to support her retraining/career changing efforts. Just a thought and some friendly advise.

    3,000 jobs is NOTHING per state that has hundreds of thousands out of work! Plus, it is NOTHING compared to new unemployment claims that come in every month either. In net, I'd be willing to bet it is a net loss still.

    So according to Government surveys Obama has lost some 3 Million jobs since taking office, so how is he able to say that he has created 3 Million jobs? At best it would be a wash. I think it is far greater loss than gain.

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    As for the jobs numbers, I think the most important thing here isn't the numbers, inflated or otherwise. It's the fact that private sector job growth has continued to increase. As to the argument against government jobs, I say it was that (temporary) shoring up of government jobs that helped keep this country afloat. We're not talking new bureacracies being created; just alot of public-private "government contract" jobs were businesses and individuals knew they'd get paid by the only "guaranteed" source of employment/income - the fed! That's the irony of the employment/unemployment/job creation argument. People scream "big government" without thinking about the negative impact not having a public-private partnership would bring. I'm not advocating socialism or nationalism. But what I am saying is when times are hard for the nation, the first place big business looks to for help is the fed. If you doubt it, ask lobby groups why they've become such mainstays in DC. It's not just because they want to grease elbows w/politicians just to get legislation enacted their way. Better yet, ask the banks, AIG, GM, Chrysler!
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    Re: Obama Heralds 1.1M Private Sector Jobs Created Since Jan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Well sure, even the worst recovery is better than a recession. Still, if we're going to climb out of this hole, we need to shoot for "good" because "better" isn't cutting it.
    Oh, good point. Because I was totally arguing that we should just stop here.

    Obama too. He figures his reelection chances are better if things are still crappy.

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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama Heralds 1.1M Private Sector Jobs Created Since Jan.

    We are in the crapper with Obama because Obama is hellbent on expanding government and socialism regardless of its negative impact on the economy, as compared to Reagan who had his priorties along basic capitalist lines. The comparative results are dramatic.


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    Re: Obama Heralds 1.1M Private Sector Jobs Created Since Jan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    We are in the crapper with Obama because Obama is hellbent on expanding government and socialism regardless of its negative impact on the economy, as compared to Reagan who had his priorties along basic capitalist lines. The comparative results are dramatic.

    Apples, oranges, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama Heralds 1.1M Private Sector Jobs Created Since Jan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Apples, oranges, etc.
    Incompetence, competence, etc.

    Useless snipe, basic data, etc.

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    Re: Obama Heralds 1.1M Private Sector Jobs Created Since Jan.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yes the job market is in the pooper as you say, much of it is to the deep recession that happened when Bush was president. And even before the economy tanked, Bush has the worst job creation on record, creating just 375,000 per year while his predecessor Bill Clinton created 2,900,000 per year.

    I give you the Wall Street Journal, not exactly a liberal publication:

    Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ
    I'm always amused when people excuse Obama by pointing out that he inherited a bad economy, but then conveniently forget that our economy hit one or two minor bumps in the early years of Bush's presidency.

    At least make an attempt to be consistent.
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    Re: Obama Heralds 1.1M Private Sector Jobs Created Since Jan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh, good point. Because I was totally arguing that we should just stop here.

    Obama too. He figures his reelection chances are better if things are still crappy.

    Thanks, you too! I was totally suggesting that we go back to losing 750k jobs per month because I thought that was better.

    Glad you set me straight!

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    Re: Obama Heralds 1.1M Private Sector Jobs Created Since Jan.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yes the job market is in the pooper as you say, much of it is to the deep recession that happened when Bush was president. And even before the economy tanked, Bush has the worst job creation on record, creating just 375,000 per year while his predecessor Bill Clinton created 2,900,000 per year.

    I give you the Wall Street Journal, not exactly a liberal publication:

    Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ
    And I will give you the facts, which of course you will ignore. Here are the EMPLOYMENT numbers for GW Bush and notice what happened from 2001 to the end of 2007 and then try, and I know this is really really hard, to understand what happened in 2001 and then what happened in 2008. Then pay attention to what has happened in 2010 after the recession ended in June 2009. Of course this will go right over your head.

    Notice employment in December 137.6 million and December 2007 146.2 or an 8.6 million increase. Then at the end of his term it was 143.2

    Obama takes office and through October 139.4 or a 3.8 million employment drop. Guess the population didn't grow. during that period of time which is normally your argument. Of course there is the argument that Obama inherited the worst recession since the Great Depression which of course NBER states ended in June 2009. So here we are well over a year later after the end of the recession and Obama's policies are a disaster. The voters got it, when will you?

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