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    Re: Julian Robertson Gonna Put You on a Diet, Fatty

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The obese are forcing others to bear the some of the costs of their decisions. Do we continue to "socialize" the cost of obesity?
    This is exactly why if we are to continue to be free we have to take individual responsibility for our lives. It's not the government's job to take care of us from cradle to grave.
    If they do, they have the power to tell us how to live our lives. What to eat, what to drive, where we live, what bulbs we use, what appliances we use, what the temperature we live in, what schools to go to, what subjects we take, what careers we'll have, how many children we can have, what surgeries we'll be allowed, what medicine they allow, what doctor to see, what hospitals we use, what trees we can cut, what trees we can plant, how much water we can use, when we can use it, what we can throw in the trash, what we must recycle, what color our roofs are..........see...
    this is where we are headed when we start trying to control a person's diet.
    If you can control what a person eats you can control any aspect of their lives.
    Until there is a real cure for obesity, people have a right to be as big as a bus, just as gays are allowed to have gay sex that may lead to AIDs though we have no cure or as people are allowed to over indulge in alcohol or any number of dangerous behaviors.
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    Re: Julian Robertson Gonna Put You on a Diet, Fatty

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The obese are forcing others to bear the some of the costs of their decisions. Do we continue to "socialize" the cost of obesity?
    Just curious.... Obesity is not against the law.
    Being in this country illegally is. Do you agree that we should stop them from forcing us to bear the costs of their decisions? How many of them have babies here each year? How many of them show up in emergency rooms when they get sick?
    If we aren't going to take care of that abuse to our health care system, then I think we should get off the backs of our fat citizans.
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    Re: Julian Robertson Gonna Put You on a Diet, Fatty

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Until there is a real cure for obesity.
    I'm sorry. A cure for Obesity? You believe this is something that has to be cured?

    How about not becoming a fat gluttenous distgusting blob in the first place.

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    Re: Julian Robertson Gonna Put You on a Diet, Fatty

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    This is exactly why if we are to continue to be free we have to take individual responsibility for our lives. It's not the government's job to take care of us from cradle to grave.
    If they do, they have the power to tell us how to live our lives. What to eat, what to drive, where we live, what bulbs we use, what appliances we use, what the temperature we live in, what schools to go to, what subjects we take, what careers we'll have, how many children we can have, what surgeries we'll be allowed, what medicine they allow, what doctor to see, what hospitals we use, what trees we can cut, what trees we can plant, how much water we can use, when we can use it, what we can throw in the trash, what we must recycle, what color our roofs are..........see...
    this is where we are headed when we start trying to control a person's diet.
    If you can control what a person eats you can control any aspect of their lives.
    Until there is a real cure for obesity, people have a right to be as big as a bus, just as gays are allowed to have gay sex that may lead to AIDs though we have no cure or as people are allowed to over indulge in alcohol or any number of dangerous behaviors.
    The article i referenced pertained to a pigouvian solution, in which taxation is used to "internalize the externality". How much does obesity cost taxpayers on a yearly basis? Why not push the costs off on those who enact such a..... way of life.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Julian Robertson Gonna Put You on a Diet, Fatty

    I would be for his..eh..er, program…with this caveat. Find another way of determining obesity. The BMI index that insurance companies use don’t work when a person does a lot of strength training.
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    Re: Julian Robertson Gonna Put You on a Diet, Fatty

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I would be for his..eh..er, program…with this caveat. Find another way of determining obesity. The BMI index that insurance companies use don’t work when a person does a lot of strength training.
    bioelectric impedance is a much better measure of % of body fat than a BMI.

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    Re: Julian Robertson Gonna Put You on a Diet, Fatty

    He's gonna pump *clap* you up!

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    Re: Julian Robertson Gonna Put You on a Diet, Fatty

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The article i referenced pertained to a pigouvian solution, in which taxation is used to "internalize the externality". How much does obesity cost taxpayers on a yearly basis? Why not push the costs off on those who enact such a..... way of life.
    How much does making dangerous treks into the mountains that result in massive rescue operations cost taxpayers? How much does driving race cars cost American taxpayers? Parachute jumping? Swimming across the ocean to break a record? Aerobatics? Smoking? Drinking? Any one of thousands of risky occupations or behaviors? Why not push the costs off on them? Because it doesn't make sense.
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    Re: Julian Robertson Gonna Put You on a Diet, Fatty

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    How much does making dangerous treks into the mountains that result in massive rescue operations cost taxpayers? How much does driving race cars cost American taxpayers? Parachute jumping? Swimming across the ocean to break a record? Aerobatics? Smoking? Drinking? Any one of thousands of risky occupations or behaviors? Why not push the costs off on them? Because it doesn't make sense.
    Actually, it would (with the exception of smoking and drinking, due to the addiction involved making the situation more complicated). Especially considering that those activities are usually taken on for entertainment purposes.

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    Re: Julian Robertson Gonna Put You on a Diet, Fatty

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Actually, it would (with the exception of smoking and drinking, due to the addiction involved making the situation more complicated). Especially considering that those activities are usually taken on for entertainment purposes.
    I actually agree with you that those activities should carry a burden directly on those engaging. You acknowledging that smoking/drinking is a different colored horse, however, is partly my point. Over-eating is, in fact, an addiction. Not 10 or 20 pounds, of course, but morbidly obese individuals are dealing with much more than just the amount and kinds of food they eat. They are dealing with an addiction just as surely as if they were shooting up.
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