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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Yeah, it does. You asked how "Sharia law" would come up in probate, and this guy is suing over that very subject.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Yeah, it does. You asked how "Sharia law" would come up in probate, and this guy is suing over that very subject.
    And I explained in there why I believe his claim to be frivolous.

    So, are you going to explain how I'm wrong about that or not? And are you going to explain how a court may apply Sharia law within contract law?
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by tacticalevildan View Post
    too bad that, legally speaking, this is about contract law and not religious law. The only way "sharia law" can be applied in the united states is via contracts to which all parties are voluntary participants and the contract itself does not violate the law of the land. You know, like any other contract.

    i guess hate and fear are valid grounds upon which to ban otherwise legal contractual arrangements.

    Aside from that, i wish the proponents of this luck with the article vi dispute which is surely coming.
    You have made it clear you have no damn clue what you are babbling about.

    In case you are as confused about me as you are about reality. I am a Conservative not a a damn Liberal, I hate no man. It's Liberals who hate everyone who thinks for themselves.

    For example I hate the CULT of Islam. I hate the Cult of Black Liberation Theology, Obama is into, because it's Anti-American, Anti-Capitalism, Anti-Constitution, and Anti-White people.

    You could not be more wrong.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    wrong wrong wrong

    Then why not admit it?
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Well, out of my years of debating---about 4---I have never met a liberal who was against Sharia Law. I guess it's my lucky day.
    How many people have you meant that were for it? Or do you define liberal as anyone who disagrees with you?

    I mean liberals in general
    Name one.

    An example would be NPR firing Juan b/c he was "anxious" around Muslims; the point was whether or not he should have been fired but that any voice against Islam is offensive.
    That does not mean NPR is for Sharia. It merely means they disagreed with his somewhat xenophobic views. Seriously. 4 years of debating and that's your argument?

    Constantly, I see liberal that defend Sharia/Islamic Law. There are two main sides of the point that is Sharia Law. The conservatives are always against it. What does that say of the other main side?
    Your best argument was that someone got fired over saying xenophobic things about Muslims, and not even saying anything about Sharia. Fail.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Absolute bull****.

    Everyone, lets please ignore this guy
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And I explained in there why I believe his claim to be frivolous.
    I read what you said, and you essentially said that if it's a valid will, then this amendment won't affect it.

    If it's a valid will, and in it he asks that his possessions be divided according to "Sharia law," then this amendment, which explicitly states:

    Quote Originally Posted by Section 1, Subsection C, known as the "Save Our State Amendment"
    The Courts shall not look to the legal precepts of other nations or cultures. Specifically, the courts shall not consider international law or Sharia law.
    . . . would explicitly prevent the court from considering the very standard he is asking it to consider.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And are you going to explain how a court may apply Sharia law within contract law?
    Party A enters into a contract with Party B to do a certain thing according to "Sharia law."

    A dispute arises.

    A suit is brought in civil court alleging a material breach of the contract.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    You have made it clear you have no damn clue what you are babbling about.

    In case you are as confused about me as you are about reality. I am a Conservative not a a damn Liberal, I hate no man. It's Liberals who hate everyone who thinks for themselves.

    For example I hate the CULT of Islam. I hate the Cult of Black Liberation Theology, Obama is into, because it's Anti-American, Anti-Capitalism, Anti-Constitution, and Anti-White people.

    You could not be more wrong.
    Hey, by all means, feel free to lie while you hate.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It's essentially the only way "Sharia law" is going to manifest in the United States -- two or more parties who have a conflict and agree to have it arbitrated according to "Sharia law," or advanced planning documents.

    In other words, via contracts, planning documents and other similarly civil methods.
    The United States has a civil code. That is the only laws that should be followed in contractual matters. Which the Oklahoma law will enforce.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I read what you said, and you essentially said that if it's a valid will, then this amendment won't affect it.

    If it's a valid will, and in it he asks that his possessions be divided according to "Sharia law," then this amendment, which explicitly states:



    . . . would explicitly prevent the court from considering the very standard he is asking it to consider.



    Party A enters into a contract with Party B to do a certain thing according to "Sharia law."

    A dispute arises.

    A suit is brought in civil court alleging a material breach of the contract.
    You do realize that arbitration doesn't require a court to apply Sharia law, right? All it considers is "have the parties agreed to this"? The basis for the agreement can be anything they so choose as long as the agreement meets the legal requirements to be valid.

    As for enforcing the terms of an agreement, the only law analysis which enters into it is whether or not the document constitutes a valid contract. The terms of the agreement are entirely up to the parties. To the extent a court enforces anything, it's the terms of the agreement. That doesn't mean it's "law." It's simply the agreement. It no more makes the court apply "Sharia law" than enforcing a mortgage contract means that bank lending policy is "law."

    What it WILL prevent is a situation where someone wants the court to ignore the law and decide a legal matter on the basis of Sharia -- as in, screw contract law altogether, the Koran says this is a binding agreement and we want the court to enforce it. That, I would think, would be opposed by anyone who purports to favor secular government.

    So, if Sharia law says "this is a valid will," but actual probate law says it isn't, or if someone wants an intestate man's estate to be divvied according to Sharia law instead of long-standing probate law, then too bad, so sad -- Sharia loses. And that's the way it ought to be. Do you disagree?
    Last edited by Harshaw; 11-06-10 at 08:07 PM.
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