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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Where does this have anything to do with "contract law"?
    It's essentially the only way "Sharia law" is going to manifest in the United States -- two or more parties who have a conflict and agree to have it arbitrated according to "Sharia law," or advanced planning documents.

    In other words, via contracts, planning documents and other similarly civil methods.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Liberals defend shariah law?
    Honestly i think people are so dogged by their own partisan ignorance it becomes impossible to have an honest and down to earth debate with them.
    Personally I'm a little sick and tired of hearing certain people use religious tradition to justify certain brands of BS here in the United States, only to turn around and breathe fire about someone else's religious tradition.

    Even when that tradition isn't being invoked in a way that violates someone else's rights.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Will you give up any sought of interjecting your Christian faith into debates about secular marriage? It was a rhetorical question. We know you won't.
    I'm not exactly a Christian. Yea, I pray and believe there is some kind of Higher Power. That has nothing to do with my idea of the definition of marriage.
    It also has nothing to do with Sharia Law, those who want to keep the door open to it, and the ones who want to close that door permanently.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Personally I'm a little sick and tired of hearing certain people use religious tradition to justify certain brands of BS here in the United States, only to turn around and breathe fire about someone else's religious tradition.

    Even when that tradition isn't being invoked in a way that violates someone else's rights.
    Religious folk for you. Its why we are best off making laws based around rational thought, as long as it falls in line with the rights of the people.

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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It's essentially the only way "Sharia law" is going to manifest in the United States -- two or more parties who have a conflict and agree to have it arbitrated according to "Sharia law," or advanced planning documents.

    In other words, via contracts, planning documents and other similarly civil methods.
    This measure doesn't prevent any of that. All of that stuff has its own set of governing rules, and as long as you satisfy those, you can arrange things on any basis you want. It doesn't require consideration or adjudication of religious law at all.

    And this measure was, apparently, specifically in response to a case in NJ where a judge ruled that a Muslim man didn't have "criminal intent" to rape his wife, even though she refused him, because of the precepts of Muslim law and tradition. It was the court saying "oh, well, you're a Muslim, and according to your religious law, she can't refuse you, so you didn't really rape her." (The appeals court immediately and curtly reversed that.) That didn't have anything to do with "contract law" or "advanced planning documents."
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Either they want to assimilate or they don't. I welcome those who want to assimilate.
    Great, so we'll force them to assimilate by telling them that their religious tradition isn't suitable for the courtroom, all while pseudo-religious bigots coast to coast never fail to miss an opportunity to remind us of our Judeo-Christian roots when it comes to gay marriage.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This measure doesn't prevent any of that. All of that stuff has its own set of governing rules, and as long as you satisfy those, you can arrange things on any basis you want. It doesn't require consideration or adjudication of religious law at all.
    The measure explicitly forbids judges from considering "Sharia law."
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The measure explicitly forbids judges from considering "Sharia law."
    So what? A court has no reason to consider Sharia law in any probate or contract matter. That set of laws already exists. The document satisfies them or it doesn't.

    Perhaps you should explain exactly how it is you think a court will end up considering "Sharia law" in these matters.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So what? A court has no reason to consider Sharia law in any probate or contract matter. That set of laws already exists. The document satisfies them or it doesn't.

    Perhaps you should explain exactly how it is you think a court will end up considering "Sharia law" in these matters.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That doesn't answer the question. And I also already posted extensively in that thread on the subject of probate courts, in which I made the same points.

    So, tell me how I'm wrong and how these courts will -- and apparently should -- adjudicate Sharia law.
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