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Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

Find me one post where anybody on this forum proposes any of these statements you just wrote. That's not a straw man, that's a straw army.

Tactical bashes Christians over gay marriage, yet ignores the views of muslims toward gays. Christians are the intolerant ones in his eyes.
Liberals are intolerant of conservatives, yet very tolerant of the least tolerant religion in the world. I think maybe liberalism really is a mental disorder.
 
Tactical bashes Christians over gay marriage, yet ignores the views of muslims toward gays. Christians are the intolerant ones in his eyes.
Liberals are intolerant of conservatives, yet very tolerant of the least tolerant religion in the world. I think maybe liberalism really is a mental disorder.

Is that the best you can do? Lies and mischaracterizations?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...seeks-ban-gay-film-fest-4.html#post1059019914

I've hardly ignored Islam's take on gays. I'm also not a liberal.

When you're ready to suck it up and knock it off with the lies, let me know.
 
Have you no shame? Doesn't it bother you to lie so blatantly and so maliciously about someone you've never even met? Never mind, your post pretty much answers that question.

I didn't call the execution of those girls barbaric, or call their executioners barbarians, because I figured it was so painfully obvious that no civilized individual would have thought any different. As such, I stuck to predicting what I figured was an inevitable tide of hate against the religion and its adherents in general, versus those barbarians in particular.

Obviously many other people agreed, because there were all of, what, 3 or 4 replies to that thread? It must be that most people who saw it figured that the obvious "that's wrong" didn't qualify as a worthwhile contribution.

For that matter, where's your contribution to that thread? I guess, using your logic, you silently approve of that sort of thing even more than you seem to feel that I do, since you didn't even bother posting anything at all.

Wow, telling heinous lies about total strangers is fun! Thanks, Gardener, for introducing me to this wonderful new pasttime!

Just in case that didn't make it obvious enough for you and you need a flashing neon sign: I have never, do not currently, and will not ever defend this kind of inhumanity no matter what it's done in the name of.

Say otherwise of me, and you do so at your own peril.

Referring to your posting and criticizing your M.O. is not a lie.


Had you wanted to say something other than what you said, the choice could have been yours, but you chose to tar anybody who would react negatively to these barbaric acts by your preemptive flaming of them as being "Islamophobic".
 
You see what I mean? This is exactly what I was talking about. These people can't distinguish between a liberal saying Muslims aren't all bad and we shouldn't single out their religion and a liberal saying we should adopt Sharia Law and let husbands beat their wives. They don't understand the difference!

Do you plan on embracing liberalism as a political ideology any time soon?

When you do, please let me know so I can refer you to some good liberal writers.
 
Do you plan on embracing liberalism as a political ideology any time soon?

When you do, please let me know so I can refer you to some good liberal writers.

Is there some reason you think I've hidden my liberal leanings?
 
Is there some reason you think I've hidden my liberal leanings?

Your calling yourself a liberal, and your espousing liberal ideology are diffrent matters altogether. Conforming to an apologetic brand of political correctness does not a liberal make, especially when you call people "regressive" for actually objecting to the backwardness of Islamism.

Liberalsim is all about social justice, and any liberal worth their salt would rake Islamists over the coals for their lack thereofrather than wagging their fingers in people's faces accusing them of "Islamophobia" lest they fail to act in lockstep.
 
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Hope the courts ban Jewish law as well .... might as well hit all major minority religions while you are at it, instead of this selective ****.
 
Oh yes, I don't "understand" this because I am a "regressive".

I'm sure the kids in your spohomore civics class all think you are a pretty sharp puppy, but I was studying political science at the university before you were born.

Being a 22-year-old Nrsg student who isn't that good at debate, this post made my day.
 
Liberals defend shariah law?
Honestly i think people are so dogged by their own partisan ignorance it becomes impossible to have an honest and down to earth debate with them.

The perception is, not so much Liberals defend sharia law, but more attack Christianity. For example, Christmas is coming --- and the obligatory "manger scene" being projected, as well as anything even hinting at Christimas as being a religious holiday. That sort of yearly ranting and raving in the courts about schools, etc... don't seem as prevelent when it comes to Muslims. There maybe reasons for that but I can tell you, Christians view these yearly attacks on them as segregated - and do not see the same attention applied to Muslims. Therefore the impression left - especially when viewing these yearly occurrances through a political lens, is that Liberals will defend the hell out of Muslims doing anything --- they'll also fight to take down anything that has to do with Christianity.

I'm not saying I agree with this, I'm simply stating the perception and impression as I see it happening around me.
 
All religion should be kept out of law. That's the point of the First Amendment. It is not so much that anyone wants to see a parallel legal system in this country, though I can't imagine how it would actually work, since its decisions would still be subject to US law. The reason that some people want to defend Islam is because it is a minority. The Christian majority scares the hell out of the rest of us, just a heads up. You're our neighbors, and we're never quite sure if you're going to try and kill us. Christian conservatives murder gays, lynch blacks, and discriminate against all manner of groups in this country. Muslims do their discrimination somewhere else. And no matter what they want to do here, I'm far less afraid of them than I am of you.
 
I really don't think there is much to fear on the front of Sharia law in America. People like to make claims here and there, but ultimately our system is built upon the rights and liberties of the individual. And it is from there which it may rule.
 
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I oppose this outright.

The law of the land, is the law of the land. Not some law from elsewhere, based on some book written by some dude in the desert who may/may not have existed 1000's of years ago. That goes for you too Christains.

Keep religion out of the law and government, and you can pray to whatever invisible man you want.

These "Activists" can stick it.

I'm not opposed to them suing. They are free to do so. However, in this country our laws are secular and rightful laws are built to protect the rights and liberties of the individual. That's that. Sharia law is not something which should be recognized in our actual court system. The laws of man, not the laws of gods.
 
The perception is, not so much Liberals defend sharia law, but more attack Christianity. For example, Christmas is coming --- and the obligatory "manger scene" being projected, as well as anything even hinting at Christimas as being a religious holiday. That sort of yearly ranting and raving in the courts about schools, etc... don't seem as prevelent when it comes to Muslims. There maybe reasons for that but I can tell you, Christians view these yearly attacks on them as segregated - and do not see the same attention applied to Muslims. Therefore the impression left - especially when viewing these yearly occurrances through a political lens, is that Liberals will defend the hell out of Muslims doing anything --- they'll also fight to take down anything that has to do with Christianity.

I'm not saying I agree with this, I'm simply stating the perception and impression as I see it happening around me.

I'm not a liberal, but since people keep accusing me of being one, I figure I could respond to this.

I bring up Christianity when people start beating the drums about the evils of Islam because I think any and all religions are susceptible to the same violently radical fanaticism, and I get sick and tired of people going on and on about America's Christian roots as if those roots are somehow immune to that kind of infection.

I'm not a "War on Christmas" type of guy. I'm not really a "War on" anything type of guy. If you leave me alone, and don't try to play at representing your invisible-man beliefs as somehow being better than someone else's, or being better than my lack of invisible-man beliefs, we're good.

Bless me, wish me Merry Christmas, offer to pray for me, and I'll give you the same right back. The fact that I don't believe what you believe doesn't keep me from appreciating the sentiment.
 
I'm not opposed to them suing. They are free to do so. However, in this country our laws are secular and rightful laws are built to protect the rights and liberties of the individual. That's that. Sharia law is not something which should be recognized in our actual court system. The laws of man, not the laws of gods.

Nobody is disagreeing with that. It's a stupid ballot measure because
A) It singles out Islam instead of applying to all religious law, and
B) It's utterly redundant.
 
The perception is, not so much Liberals defend sharia law, but more attack Christianity. For example, Christmas is coming --- and the obligatory "manger scene" being projected, as well as anything even hinting at Christimas as being a religious holiday. That sort of yearly ranting and raving in the courts about schools, etc... don't seem as prevelent when it comes to Muslims. There maybe reasons for that but I can tell you, Christians view these yearly attacks on them as segregated - and do not see the same attention applied to Muslims. Therefore the impression left - especially when viewing these yearly occurrances through a political lens, is that Liberals will defend the hell out of Muslims doing anything --- they'll also fight to take down anything that has to do with Christianity.

I'm not saying I agree with this, I'm simply stating the perception and impression as I see it happening around me.

I never once saw Islamic holiday paraphenilia in school when I was younger. No school I'm aware of has tried to integrate Islamic religious teachings into a science class. I've never seen Islamic writings outside a courtroom. I've never seen a business closing for an Islamic holiday. What "attention" should I be paying to Islam?

The reason Christianity is "attacked" so regularly is because Christianity is what is thrust upon us all the time. Nobody is attacking Christianity, we're trying to stop it from being forced upon us. Saying "happy holidays" is not an attack on Christianity. A "holiday sale" instead of a "Christmas sale" does not exclude Christians. The idea that Christians are some oppressed group in this country is ludicrous.

edit: The short, smartass answer is that White Christian Males seem to think that it's a zero-sum game, that being more inclusive of others must mean being less inclusive of Christianity.
 
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As I thought.

Why do liberals defend the barbaric law of Sharia?

We don't. I can't even manage to live under US laws. How am I ever going to give a rat's ass about Sharia law?
 
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