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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Technically, under Sharia Law, a man can beat his wife.

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    It doesn't matter what is legal under "Sharia law". In UK, If any decision clash with British law. UK law is obviously superior and over rules it.


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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    It doesn't matter what is legal under "Sharia law". In UK, If any decision clash with British law. UK law is obviously superior and over rules it.
    He can't hear you over the resounding echo of his hate.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, it's actually not, because my point is that it's fashionable to hate on Islam and Muslims in general. This has been proven true time and again, both on the airwaves and on this forum.



    It's also fashionable to defend Islamism under the misapprehension one is defending Muslims.

    Between the hard right demonizing all of Islam and the hard left defending the Islamists, there is very little middle ground these days for sensible people who base their opinions on values rather than just adding their voice to the bleating chorus.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    He can't hear you over the resounding echo of his hate.
    Meh, at least I tried

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It's also fashionable to defend Islamism under the misapprehension one is defending Muslims.

    Between the hard right demonizing all of Islam and the hard left defending the Islamists, there is very little middle ground these days for sensible people who base their opinions on values rather than just adding their voice to the bleating chorus.
    Maybe if some distinguished between "Moderate" and "Extremist" etc. We wouldn't be having this issue and a discussion could be had about Islam and the problems
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It's also fashionable to defend Islamism under the misapprehension one is defending Muslims.
    I'd say I don't defend "Islamism," but I've read several conflicting definitions, not uncommon for made-up bull**** buzz-words.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Between the hard right demonizing all of Islam and the hard left defending the Islamists, there is very little middle ground these days for sensible people who base their opinions on values rather than just adding their voice to the bleating chorus.
    Yeah, especially with all of the moronic jackass political hacks on both sides acting as human echo chambers for the talking head of the day.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'd say I don't defend "Islamism," but I've read several conflicting definitions, not uncommon for made-up bull**** buzz-words.
    I/E - political Islam, fundamentalist Islam, those within Islam seeking to establish sharia law or a caliphate.


    The natural tendency of the English language is towards a condensation of terms into single words that express those terms. A single word to express a concept is mich simpler and allows for a more facile expression of ideas than a long, strung out grouping of many individual words to express the same concept, and so even as the etymology of the term "Islamism" is of fairly recent origin, it is nonetheless a valid term.

    That you are so reactionary by nature that you would call it a "bullsh!t" word indicates that you really aren't what you claim to be. If you weren't defending Islamism, you most certainly would not resort to the tactic of calling it a "bullsh!t" term.

    People should be able to distinguish between nominal Muslims and Islamists just as they should be able to distinguish between ordinary Christians and fire breathing fundies. The far right tends to lump all Muslims together to demonize them, while the far left fails to distinguish between ethe two and defends all. The roles are reversed when it comes to Christians, with the hard left lumping them all together to demonize, with the hard right defending.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I/E - political Islam, fundamentalist Islam, those within Islam seeking to establish sharia law or a caliphate.
    I have never ever defended that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    That you are so reactionary by nature that you would call it a "bullsh!t" word indicates that you really aren't what you claim to be. If you weren't defending Islamism, you most certainly would not resort to the tactic of calling it a "bullsh!t" term.
    I reacted the way I did because I'm sick of people creating and redefining words as it suits their agenda. I was raised to believe that words have very specific meanings.

    At any rate, please stop lying about me. I have never come anywhere near defending any such thing. I am no more a fan of Muslims who try to reshape the world around them in their image than I am of Christians who try to do the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    People should be able to distinguish between nominal Muslims and Islamists just as they should be able to distinguish between ordinary Christians and fire breathing fundies. The far right tends to lump all Muslims together to demonize them, while the far left fails to distinguish between ethe two and defends all. The roles are reversed when it comes to Christians, with the hard left lumping them all together to demonize, with the hard right defending.
    People should be able to distinguish those who defend nominal Muslims and Islamists just as they should be able to distinguish between those who defend religious freedom and theocracies. The political hacks on this forum can't seem to be able to do that.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I have never ever defended that.



    I reacted the way I did because I'm sick of people creating and redefining words as it suits their agenda. I was raised to believe that words have very specific meanings.

    At any rate, please stop lying about me. I have never come anywhere near defending any such thing. I am no more a fan of Muslims who try to reshape the world around them in their image than I am of Christians who try to do the same thing.



    People should be able to distinguish those who defend nominal Muslims and Islamists just as they should be able to distinguish between those who defend religious freedom and theocracies. The political hacks on this forum can't seem to be able to do that.
    Well, let's see here, shall we?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-2...errorists.html

    In this thread, you not only failed to address the issue in any way, shape or form, and failed to criticize the actions IN THE LEAST, you actually played the "Islamophobia" card.

    Odd, isn't it, that for a person who is supposedly such a stickler about terms being "bullsh!t", you would toss out your little "Islamophobia" bomb so easlily, and did so in defense of Somali pirates no less.
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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Well, let's see here, shall we?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-2...errorists.html

    In this thread, you not only failed to address the issue in any way, shape or form, and failed to criticize the actions IN THE LEAST, you actually played the "Islamophobia" card.

    Odd, isn't it, that for a person who is supposedly such a stickler about terms being "bullsh!t", you would toss out your little "Islamophobia" bomb so easlily, and did so in defense of Somali pirates no less.
    Once again I am convinced that absolutism is THE core part of the regressive mindset. Being against condemnation of a religion of 1.4 billion people is not the same thing as being in favor of every action taken by anyone in that massive group, but folks who think like this literally do not understand the difference. They buy into statements like "you're either with us, or against us," accepting that as some sort of reasonable statement.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Muslim Activist Group Suing Oklahoma for banning Sharia/Islamic LAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Once again I am convinced that absolutism is THE core part of the regressive mindset. Being against condemnation of a religion of 1.4 billion people is not the same thing as being in favor of every action taken by anyone in that massive group, but folks who think like this literally do not understand the difference. They buy into statements like "you're either with us, or against us," accepting that as some sort of reasonable statement.
    Yet nobody had condemned the religion of 1.4 billion people.

    You are quite ignorant of political meanings if you think "regressive" actually applies to those who object to all the apologia offered in defense of what are TRULY regressive mindsets.
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