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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    If you touch someone intentionally, and they are offended, that is assault.
    incorrect.
    Intent is an essential element of assault.
    you must intend to offend for it to be assault. if the intent is to determine if they are concealing a weapon, it is not assault. no matter how offended they are.

    you are riding the subway and the train makes an unexpected sudden stop. the lady beside you starts to fall and you reach out and grab her in an attempt to keep her from falling. she gets offended for whatever reason. have you committed assault? you touched her intentionally and she was offended....

    you are walking down the street and you see someone draw back a fist in order to strike another person, you grab their arm to stop them. have you committed assault? you touched them intentionally and they were offended.

    you are a TSA worker and a passenger sets off the metal detector, they refuse to empty their pockets so you pull them aside for a pat down to ensure they are not concealing a weapon.

    It all boils down to intent. the intention behind the TSA patdowns are not to offend anyone.
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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    This whole thing is so incredibly stupid.

    If the scanners are SAFE (still in doubt) then the country would be INSANE to NOT use these things. the fix is so incredibly simple...locate the screeners behind a curtain where the screener cant see the actual indivuduals with the delicate sensibilites worrying about someone looking at an xray image of their junk, run background checks on the screeners to make (reasonably) sure convicted pervs arent hired, auto dump the memory every 30 minutes (because damn...you will KNOW right away if someone is packing something)and go and use the damn things. First...ensure they arent a cancer risk. Then...for crying out loud people...

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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    has anyone actually seen any of these body scanner images??? you can't see any details that would identify an individual anyway. It looks like the freakin blueman group. if the machines are "safe" (aka they won't give you cancer down the road) what's the big freakin deal? if you are that body conscious...stay your fat tiny wiener ass at home.
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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    has anyone actually seen any of these body scanner images??? you can't see any details that would identify an individual anyway. It looks like the freakin blueman group. if the machines are "safe" (aka they won't give you cancer down the road) what's the big freakin deal? if you are that body conscious...stay your fat tiny wiener ass at home.
    I heard you could tell if someone was circumsised or not. That you could see any sweat on their backs. That seems pretty graphic.
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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    has anyone actually seen any of these body scanner images??? you can't see any details that would identify an individual anyway. It looks like the freakin blueman group. if the machines are "safe" (aka they won't give you cancer down the road) what's the big freakin deal? if you are that body conscious...stay your fat tiny wiener ass at home.
    Well if you want your wife are girl friend to go through that, be my guest. Mine will not.
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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well if you want your wife are girl friend to go through that, be my guest. Mine will not.
    And thats OK...but...the alternative then (since thems the rules) is that instead of seeing an outlined shadowed image of something that apparently looks humanoid then the wife and/or girlfriend get patted down...and what is more intrusive?

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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Not to downplay anyones concerns...but...come on...




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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    incorrect. you must intend to offend for it to be assault.
    Nope. I once sat on a jury for a misdemeanor assault case, and we had to convict even though I felt the defendant was completely justified in what he did. The jury instructions were very specific.
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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And thats OK...but...the alternative then (since thems the rules) is that instead of seeing an outlined shadowed image of something that apparently looks humanoid then the wife and/or girlfriend get patted down...and what is more intrusive?
    Well as a police officer I never had to literally fondle anyone to search them. So there is no excuse.
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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well as a police officer I never had to literally fondle anyone to search them. So there is no excuse.
    Not suggesting there is an excuse. Just saying...thems the rules and when you are playing on TSA's field, in their ballpark, with their rules...well...you have two choices...play the game or take take your ball(s) and go home.

    Im not trying to be flippant about any of this but there is a certain undeniable reality...people ARE looking for ways to do others harm. They wear explosive panties. They have plastiques inserted rectally and detonated by cell phone. They are putting explosive compounds in their gatorade and baby bottles. And Im sorry, but if walking through a scanner prevents a 767 from being detonated over a crowded city...well...count me in for the scanning. Because you know damn good and well if they DIDNT do everything possible people would be screaming bloody murder when someone succeeds. Of all the things I dont like about Obama...I WANT him to continue taking the preemptive fight to those that would do the country harm.

    Now...if we can just convince them to take border security this seriously.

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