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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Huh? I'm not discounting it. I absolutely think it happened.

    The only thing I'm discounting was the notion that the near 30 minutes she talked about as being normal and the disorganized searching through her bag. Both of which I don't discount can't happen, but regulation wise with someone that's not relatively new to the job SHOULDN'T happen. But everything else...yeah, she's pretty much spot on and I'm not trying to discount it. What I was doing was attempting to give likely reasons why certain things that were odd or a bit off from the standard was occuring, and since you said it mirrored your experience, explain to you what "Secondary" screening is as opposed to "primary" screening which is the standard xray/metal detector procedure.
    Ahhhh OK. Well it took me 20 to 30 Min's as well. Like I said though it was because they were being careful with my stuff, so I did not mind. The TSA was very polite and helpful. Not his fault the rule in my opinion is overbearing.

    I don't know about the secondary stuff as I heard nothing about that. I was kind of upset at first the way they shuffled me off like some kind of criminal, but again not their fault. They were just doing what they were told.
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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

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    prisonplanet and infowars.

    Stop the presses. Maybe next we'll get a link to a guys cousins friends account on their local message board.
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    As of Monday afternoon, the agency had not responded to several requests for comment on this. Last week, the agency did tell me that there were 317 of the advanced imaging technology machines now in use at 65 airports around the country.

    About 500 should be online by the end of the year, the agency said, and another 500 are expected to be installed next year. Ultimately, the agency plans to have the new machines replace metal detectors at all of the roughly 2,000 airport checkpoints.

    Meanwhile, both passengers and security screeners are making accommodations, and I acknowledge, change is a challenge. But hey, security folks, could we please start communicating better about the procedures, preferably without shouting or insulting our intelligence?
    Unless you live way inside the liberal bubble, I'm pretty sure everyone over the age of 25 has run across at least one Napoleon wannabe with "authority issues" who takes him/herself much too seriously. Usually it's a high school teacher or a traffic cop or maybe someone at the DMV, but almost always someone in government where they are insulated from the need for public approval. In any low-paying, high turnover, dead end job like TSA screener, there are bound to be some employees who simply should not be around the public and incidents as described in the OP are going to happen.

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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Of course you're going to run into idiots that are authoratitive.

    Guess what, I traveled prior to 2001 and ... amazingly ... airport security people were stern and generally rude. Note, this was before the TSA or the federal government running it.

    Shocker I know.

    And the NYT's story is far different than the info war story that's proclaiming sexual assault.

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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    I also traveled prior to 2001, and agree with your assessment. Would you agree that since 2001 the screening has become a *great* deal more intrusive? Do you think it's appropriate for these "stern and rude" people to grope children? Or adults, for that matter?

    Why is a virtual strip search permissible, while profiling is not?
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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    TSA Groping Out Of Control carries the flag a bit further.
    This is not just "disgruntled" or "rude" behavior, although I am sure there is more than a fair share of that also.
    Important question: Is Heathrow an American airport? Read your damn article.

    Here's the answer: No. Heathrow is not an American airport, and it is not screened by TSA agents. These were BRITISH SECURITY OFFICERS.

    Could you get your airports straight, please? Stop bagging on TSA for something a brit did.
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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    I also traveled prior to 2001, and agree with your assessment. Would you agree that since 2001 the screening has become a *great* deal more intrusive?
    Not really, no. There are additional things that travelers have to do, such as limiting the size of bottles of liquids and gels, and removing shoes. I don't consider these two actions that onerous, though.

    Do you think it's appropriate for these "stern and rude" people to grope children? Or adults, for that matter?
    You're a long ways from proving that "groping" happens, much less that it is routine. I'm guessing you've never been searched by law enforcement. That's going to be a huge culture shock for you, when you are.

    Why is a virtual strip search permissible
    Virtual strip search is hyperbole. It's an x-ray image that isn't particularly exciting. And guess what? I'd RATHER have an electronic scan than a pat-down. It's much less invasive.

    I was visually searched in DCA last week. I could hear the officers fapping while I walked away.

    /sarcasm

    Wait. I should be careful. Next thing I know, you'll be taking my sarcastic statement as a complaint and using it on some other bulletin board to demean the TSA again.

    while profiling is not?
    So, you think profiling should be legal? What should we be looking for?

    Question: When did you fly last, Diogenes?
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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    I also traveled prior to 2001, and agree with your assessment. Would you agree that since 2001 the screening has become a *great* deal more intrusive? Do you think it's appropriate for these "stern and rude" people to grope children? Or adults, for that matter?

    Why is a virtual strip search permissible, while profiling is not?
    I would suggest you've got a strange idea of "groping" in the way that you're IMPLYING it to mean.

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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I would suggest you've got a strange idea of "groping" in the way that you're IMPLYING it to mean.
    I'm groping you right now, Zyph.

    rawr.

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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    I guess there really are some travelers who don't mind...

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    May I conclude that you are both calling the woman in the OP a liar?
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    Re: Sexual assault in airports

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post

    You're a long ways from proving that "groping" happens, much less that it is routine. I'm guessing you've never been searched by law enforcement. .
    I have, and compared to what is being reported about the TSA's patdown, it was NOTHING like that.

    Checkmate.


    Virtual strip search is hyperbole. It's an x-ray image that isn't particularly exciting. And guess what? I'd RATHER have an electronic scan than a pat-down. It's much less invasive.
    Really? And what proof do you have for that? The TSA's publically released images, being nothing near full size/resolution and very clearly altered for public consumption? When the TSA shows FULL resolution, FULL size, UNALTERED images that show something contrary to what TSOs have reported so faer, then I'll believe you. So far, the TSA has systematically REFUSED to give us the real view of what is being shown.

    And how in bloody hell is a non-law-enforcement seeing an ex-ray, being neither cop nor medical professional NOT invasive, especially when a COP can't legally do that barring extremely extremely controlled, extremely extremely limited circumstances for which he or she was PROPERLY trained?



    I was visually searched in DCA last week. I could hear the officers fapping while I walked away.

    /sarcasm
    Your blatant dismissal of the serious implications the body imaging technology, especially when in the hands of the competence questionable TSA, makes it hard to believe you want an honest debate when it comes to the very real privacy issues associated with it.

    Wait. I should be careful. Next thing I know, you'll be taking my sarcastic statement as a complaint and using it on some other bulletin board to demean the TSA again.
    Strawmen and ad hoc, is this really the best argument in defense of the TSA and the body imaging technology?



    So, you think profiling should be legal? What should we be looking for?
    This I agree on - profiling is not a very good alternative because of the unknowns in regards of what to look for - if you create a stereotype to base whom you profile on you'll end up missing the crafty - as in those who see the flaw and pass through the workaround with ease - and pissing off a lot of people in the process.
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