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Bachmann Outraged Over Made Up Cost Of Obama's India Trip (VIDEO)

haymarket said:
Conservative,

are you at all familiar with the term "argumentum ad populum"?

Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Yep, sounds like the argument liberals use to blame Bush for everything. Say something often enough and soon one believes the rhetoric. I cite where I get my information and no one yet has refuted that information which comes from non partisan sites.

Too many people lack a basic civics understanding as well as don't seem to have the ability to do any research. When they do research they take opinion pieces and pass them off as fact. The true facts come from actual data, not projections. CBO is very poor at projections because they are required by law to take the assumptions Congress gives them. BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the U.S. Treasury provide actual data reporting what actually happened. Any projections for the future should never be passed off as fact.

Please name for me one economic program that Obama initiated that the results show was successful and we all can be proud of?
 
Conservative said:
They did indeed build a foundation that the Democrats had no interest in keeping as they were more interested in regaining the WH than doing the job required to keep the economy moving. The American people spoke last Tuesday but apparently the liberal left didn't get the message.
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Obviously after six years of R domination that foundation was not very strong for America's future prosperity IF D's can bring it down in two short years.
 
winston53660 said:
Obviously after six years of R domination that foundation was not very strong for America's future prosperity IF D's can bring it down in two short years.
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6 years? 2003-2006 is 4 years. Democrats and Republicans had a 50-50 split in 2001-2002 in the Senate. Republicans controlled the Congress from 2003-2006 and as was just pointed out "argumentum ad populum" was a term introduced here and one that describes libealism and you to a tee.
 
pbrauer said:
Michelle Bachmann is either dumb as a rock or she is lying maybe a little of both.

Bachmann Outraged Over Made Up Cost Of Obama's India Trip (VIDEO) | TPMDC
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I'm sure someone said it.

While we don't have actual numbers - there's no doubt that EVERY trip any president makes is ridiculously expensive. :shrug:

If someone's going to be enraged - they need to be enraged over the *entire cost* which is accrued by every president - always. Obama's no more or less expensive than Bush or anyone else when it comes to his travels.
 
Conservative said:
6 years? 2003-2006 is 4 years. Democrats and Republicans had a 50-50 split in 2001-2002 in the Senate. Republicans controlled the Congress from 2003-2006 and as was just pointed out "argumentum ad populum" was a term introduced here and one that describes libealism and you to a tee.
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In logic, an argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges: "If many believe so, it is so." Many liberals conclude that Bush was responsible for the financial crisis thus because they believe it, it is true even though there is an absence of facts to support that belief.
 
Conservative said:
6 years? 2003-2006 is 4 years. Democrats and Republicans had a 50-50 split in 2001-2002 in the Senate. Republicans controlled the Congress from 2003-2006 and as was just pointed out "argumentum ad populum" was a term introduced here and one that describes libealism and you to a tee.
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What argument to popularity have I made? I just pointed out your faulty logic bright eyes. And quite frankly it was like shooting ducks in a pond.
 
pbrauer said:
Read this:

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ
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Interesting how the article ignores the 8.5 million jobs Bush created from 2001-2007 and it certainly doesn't report on the 4 million jobs Obama has lost since taking office and signing his stimulus plan. You really have a bad case of BDS which causes you to divert from the mess we have in the WH Right now.

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2000 136559 136598 136701 137270 136630 136940 136531 136662 136893 137088 137322 137614
2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
2006 143142 143444 143765 143794 144108 144370 144229 144631 144797 145292 145477 145914
2007 146032 146043 146368 145686 145952 146079 145926 145685 146193 145885 146483 146173
2008 146421 146165 146173 146306 146023 145768 145515 145187 145021 144677 143907 143188
2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391
 
winston53660 said:
What argument to popularity have I made? I just pointed out your faulty logic bright eyes. And quite frankly it was like shooting ducks in a pond.
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Faulty logic to a liberal is posting actual facts that are verifiable, not personal opinions or future projections.
 
Conservative said:
Faulty logic to a liberal is posting actual facts that are verifiable, not personal opinions or future projections.
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Or numbers without context ;)

(Quite amazing you that you attack people for their "Rhetoric" While at all times spouting your own right wing rhetoric that has no place within reality. The truth lies somewhere in the middle)
 
Conservative said:
Interesting how the article ignores the 8.5 million jobs Bush created from 2001-2007 and it certainly doesn't report on the 4 million jobs Obama has lost since taking office and signing his stimulus plan. You really have a bad case of BDS which causes you to divert from the mess we have in the WH Right now.

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2000 136559 136598 136701 137270 136630 136940 136531 136662 136893 137088 137322 137614
2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
2006 143142 143444 143765 143794 144108 144370 144229 144631 144797 145292 145477 145914
2007 146032 146043 146368 145686 145952 146079 145926 145685 146193 145885 146483 146173
2008 146421 146165 146173 146306 146023 145768 145515 145187 145021 144677 143907 143188
2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391
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Once again, those numbers are seasonally adjusted. The WSJ piece is using actual numbers.

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ
 
Jetboogieman said:
Or numbers without context ;)

(Quite amazing you that you attack people for their "Rhetoric" While at all times spouting your own right wing rhetoric that has no place within reality. The truth lies somewhere in the middle)
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Why don't you put actual numbers then into context? Would love to hear your so called context? Anyone looking at the Obama record does so in context, he spent more time campaigning for the Presidency than he spent in the Senate. He wanted the job and when he got it he complained about the mess he inherited. He then got passed and signed a 800+ billion stimulus plan that did nothing to stimulate jobs so he made up the "saved" job classification that cannot be proven. He blamed Bush for a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit that he claims he inherited thus Bush had to create that deficit from October 1, 2008 to January 21, 2009.

Obama claimed that jobs were his number one priority so after making that claim he fought for healthcare reform that destroys jobs. Yes, isn't context wonderful?
 
Conservative said:
Why don't you put actual numbers then into context? Would love to hear your so called context? Anyone looking at the Obama record does so in context, he spent more time campaigning for the Presidency than he spent in the Senate. He wanted the job and when he got it he complained about the mess he inherited. He then got passed and signed a 800+ billion stimulus plan that did nothing to stimulate jobs so he made up the "saved" job classification that cannot be proven. He blamed Bush for a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit that he claims he inherited thus Bush had to create that deficit from October 1, 2008 to January 21, 2009.

Obama claimed that jobs were his number one priority so after making that claim he fought for healthcare reform that destroys jobs. Yes, isn't context wonderful?
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*Post flies 1 Mile above Conservatives Head*
 
Conservative said:
You really have a bad case of BDS which causes you to divert from the mess we have in the WH Right now.
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You really have a bad case of ODS, you want to blame Obama for what happened during the Bush administration.

:bootyshake:kissass
 
pbrauer said:
You really have a bad case of ODS, you want to blame Obama for what happened during the Bush administration.

:bootyshake:kissass
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Right, waiting for you to provide proof that Bush created deficit that Obama claims he inherited? Still waiting for you to explain why unemployment dropped every month of 2010 after a recesison ended last June, 2009?
 
Jetboogieman said:
*Post flies 1 Mile above Conservatives Head*
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I asked you to put the numbers I gave you in context and this is your response? LOL, liberals have a problem responding to actual questions raised. All you do is divert
 
Conservative said:
Whether or not they are seasonally adjusted makes no difference, the Wall Street Journal article ignores the job creation from December 2000 to December 2007 just like there is no mention of what Obama has done to jobs in just two years.
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The job creation during Bush is the worst on record and the job situation now is a direct result of the financial meltdown during the Bush presidency. There is no getting away from those facts.
 
pbrauer said:
The job creation during Bush is the worst on record and the job situation now is a direct result of the financial meltdown during the Bush presidency. There is no getting away from those facts.
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What financial meltdown, Obama says he saved us from that total destruction. One would think that after spending 800+ billion to stimulate economic growth and job creation that employment would be higher each month of 2010 than 2009 during that crisis.
 
Conservative said:
I asked you to put the numbers I gave you in context and this is your response? LOL, liberals have a problem responding to actual questions raised. All you do is divert
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Me Divert?

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You still have yet to even address the OP and the topic. We spent pages yesterday trying to get you to prove that this trip was 200 million dollars a day, and you couldn't, you dodged and ran, and came back and continually spouted your bull**** over and over and over.

Putting numbers into context was already done by me in another thread, and you refused to address that too. Instead once again, going back to the rhetoric, because you're a pompous, partisan hack who could never for the life of him admit that he was wrong.

Was this the part where Honor was restored?

That you had to lie about the cost of a presidential trip using a single unconfirmed source from a foriegn newspaper to score cheap political points...

was this the part where honor was restored?
 
Conservative said:
Right, waiting for you to provide proof that Bush created deficit that Obama claims he inherited? Still waiting for you to explain why unemployment dropped every month of 2010 after a recesison ended last June, 2009?
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The recession ending and unemployment are two separate issues. The definition of a recession is tied to the GDP, not employment period.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Me Divert?

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You still have yet to even address the OP and the topic. We spent pages yesterday trying to get you to prove that this trip was 200 million dollars a day, and you couldn't, you dodged and ran, and came back and continually spouted your bull**** over and over and over.

Putting numbers into context was already done by me in another thread, and you refused to address that too. Instead once again, going back to the rhetoric, because you're a pompous, partisan hack who could never for the life of him admit that he was wrong.

Was this the part where Honor was restored?

That you had to lie about the cost of a presidential trip using a single unconfirmed source from a foriegn newspaper to score cheap political points...

was this the part where honor was restored?
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Then you have a reading comprehension problem, my argument is why spend any money on a trip at this time, two days after the American people said stop the spending and he again basically told the American people to "shove it" as "Iam going to do whatever I want"

It is about perception and about symbolism and this President lacks the basic understanding of what it even means to be a leader. My complaint is why not tell the American people what this trip costs? It has absolutely nothing to do with security but is a diversion as usual. That is all we get from Obama and his supporters.
 
pbrauer said:
The recession ending and unemployment are two separate issues. The definition of a recession is tied to the GDP, not employment period.
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Then name for me any other President in U.S. History that lost jobs every month a year after a recession ended?
 
Conservative said:
Then you have a reading comprehension problem, my argument is why spend any money on a trip at this time, two days after the American people said stop the spending and he again basically told the American people to "shove it" as "Iam going to do whatever I want"

It is about perception and about symbolism and this President lacks the basic understanding of what it even means to be a leader. My complaint is why not tell the American people what this trip costs? It has absolutely nothing to do with security but is a diversion as usual. That is all we get from Obama and his supporters.
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So you still can't prove it?

These trips are planned years in advance... they're part of the way a country works. You have to go meet your allies. Or do you not want the second largest growing economy on your side? That would be a major mistake I'll tell you. India can be a very good ally, it is the worlds largest democracy.

So. Still think the lie is true, even though NO PRESIDENTIAL TRIP HAS EVER COST THIS MUCH.

But yet, you know, because you know.

Was this the part that honor was restored?
 
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