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Bachmann Outraged Over Made Up Cost Of Obama's India Trip (VIDEO)

obvious Child said:
And there goes any shred of credibility you had left. Afghanistan costs $190 million daily. Clinton's Africa trip cost around $4 million a day. You are explicitly arguing that there has been a truly astronomical increase in costs in twenty years.

If we apply our brains, the $200 million suggests it is Rupees. Furthermore, if we examine current conversion rates, that $200 million is reduced to $4.5 million which in line with previous presidential trips.

Your posts are excellent examples of why the Department of Ed needs to die.
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I totally agree,
Your posts are excellent examples of why the Department of Ed needs to die.
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Conservative said:
What competition? The taxpayers needed an answer when a Republican was in the WH and deserve one now. It sends the wrong message to do what Obama has done, first with Michelle Obama's trip to Spain and now this. You don't know that this trip is no more expensive than past trips but you continue to buy this President's rhetoric when the reality is his rhetoric has never been accurate since he took office. Slightly liberal? LOL, no objective slightly liberal individual would continue to make the defense you and others give. This Administration lies and you ignore it
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You bought into the 200 million dollar rhetoric the second it hit the right wing blogs:spank:
 
Conservative said:
It does seem that liberals have higher standards for Conservatives than they have for their own representatives and candidates. Obama promised the most transparent Administration in history and we are still waiting to see that transparence. Maybe the news in your country is a little late in arriving.
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Hey well thats ok. Conservatives seem to condone worse lying.

Bush knew there were no WMD's, he knew the alluminam tubes weren't being used for Uranium enrichment. He knew that there's no way in hell 500 Tonnes of Yellowcake could be transported out of Niger and no one would notice. He knew the Iraqi's barely had enough spare parts to keep a Tank on the road. He knew they had destroyed the nuclear Weapons facilities in the 90's. And yet, you don't even want to INVESTIGATE THE POSSIBILITY that a president took your country to war for NO REASON AT ALL because he's Republican.

You can take that line, and shove it up your ass you Partisan Hack.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Funny how you condone a member of your own party telling a flat out lie and getting away with it time after time :lol:

Party of Integrity.

Was this the "Restore Honor" Part you guys were going on about? I didn't know lying was Honorable.
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By your mouthfoaming I can tell you have as much sense as your twin pbrauer. I can you that you think alike, and have the same sized thought organ.
 
American said:
By your mouthfoaming I can tell you have as much sense as your twin pbrauer. I can you that you think alike, and have the same sized thought organ.
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So you deny she knowingly lied to the American people (A charge you often bring before your opponent) Except its a flat out lie, she got caught, and you have nothing to say.

Do you want to adress that point or not?
 
Jetboogieman said:
So you deny she knowingly lied to the American people (A charge you often bring before your opponent) Except its a flat out lie, she got caught, and you have nothing to say.

Do you want to adress that point or not?
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Don't try to move up from the minor leagues, you're not ready.
 
winston53660 said:
You bought into the 200 million dollar rhetoric the second it hit the right wing blogs:spank:
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I didn't create this thread and as usual you run when challenged and go right to the personal attacks. Where is your outrage over the lack of transparency promised by the Obama Administration?
 
Jetboogieman said:
So you deny she knowingly lied to the American people (A charge you often bring before your opponent) Except its a flat out lie, she got caught, and you have nothing to say.

Do you want to adress that point or not?
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How do you know it is a lie? Because the Obama Administration says so? How many lies does this Administration have to give before you hold them accountable? Keep buying the rhetoric!
 
American said:
Don't try to move up from the minor leagues, you're not ready.
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Conservative said:
How do you know it is a lie? Because the Obama Administration says so? How many lies does this Administration have to give before you hold them accountable? Keep buying the rhetoric!
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So what I'm hearing is. I can't adress the point. It has been proven that the claim was false, made by ONE unconfirmed, indian newspaper source. Your side ran with it, propogated something THEY KNEW TO BE FALSE. And you cannot adress the point because you don't want your side to look bad.

I don't give 2 rats ass about Obama or his pathetic excuse for an administration.

But you two have lost this fight.
 
Conservative said:
I didn't create this thread and as usual you run when challenged and go right to the personal attacks.
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Okay lets go back to the thread you did start:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...eficit-obama-really-cares.html#post1059080621

It is not a personal attack when you did do it. Are you going to take responsibility for your own actions?

Where is your outrage over the lack of transparency promised by the Obama Administration?
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They are not disclosing the amount for security reasons. That seems fairly reasonable to me no matter who the President is.
 
Conservative said:
How do you know it is a lie? Because the Obama Administration says so? How many lies does this Administration have to give before you hold them accountable? Keep buying the rhetoric!
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Anyone with an elementary grasp of maths knows it's a lie. Bachman has a long inglorious track record of categorical inaccuracy. Why do you and your ilk treat the government as a foreign occupier?
 
Jetboogieman said:
So what I'm hearing is. I can't adress the point. It has been proven that the claim was false, made by ONE unconfirmed, indian newspaper source. Your side ran with it, propogated something THEY KNEW TO BE FALSE. And you cannot adress the point because you don't want your side to look bad.

I don't give 2 rats ass about Obama or his pathetic excuse for an administration.

But you two have lost this fight.
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It has been proven false by whom? You believe that rhetoric from the Obama administration proves that it is false? No one has given even a ball park number as to the cost of this trip only claimed it was wildly overstated and that they cannot give the number because of security concerns. Keep buying this rhetoric and call it factual as it doesn't help your credibility.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Anyone with an elementary grasp of maths knows it's a lie. Bachman has a long inglorious track record of categorical inaccuracy. Why do you and your ilk treat the government as a foreign occupier?
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"Anyone with an elementary grasp of math" doesn't answer the question. Where have anyone from the Obama Administration offered a math answer to the questions raised? Obama hasn't made a prediction or statement yet that is factual yet you continue to buy the rhetoric. You ask a question to answer a question, when you answer mine I will answer yours. The thread topic has not been proven false.
 
Conservative said:
It has been proven false by whom? You believe that rhetoric from the Obama administration proves that it is false? No one has given even a ball park number as to the cost of this trip only claimed it was wildly overstated and that they cannot give the number because of security concerns. Keep buying this rhetoric and call it factual as it doesn't help your credibility.
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Have you even bothered to look at any information regarding this. I didn't take the administration on its word, I did research into other presidential trips, to other countries, and none of them, even to dangerous places cost that much, so how could this?

You didn't bother to look up any information to the contrary before you YOURSELF started propogating this lie.

In the 90's, Clinton took a tour of Africa, he visited more countries, for more days and it cost 5 million dollars a day.

You wanna tell me how even with inflation that it could cost more then that this time around? (Certainly it might cost more these days, certainly more for security)
 
Jetboogieman said:
Have you even bothered to look at any information regarding this. I didn't take the administration on its word, I did research into other presidential trips, to other countries, and none of them, even to dangerous places cost that much, so how could this?

You didn't bother to look up any information to the contrary before you YOURSELF started propogating this lie.

In the 90's, Clinton took a tour of Africa, he visited more countries, for more days and it cost 5 million dollars a day.

You wanna tell me how even with inflation that it could cost more then that this time around? (Certainly it might cost more these days, certainly more for security)
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Of course you take this Administration at its word even though its word has not yet been accurate. What is the purpose of the trip to India, how many people are on that trip, and what is the projected cost. This President promised transparency and the best you can do is divert to previous Administrations. No other Administration had 16 million unemployed Americans and trillion dollar deficits. How many people could be fed by the cost of this trip? The question is how much is this trip going to cost, ball park figure? You have a problem with the question? I don't recall Clinton taking thousands of people with him.

I don't have a problem with the cost of defending the President, never have, but during these difficult times it sends the wrong message to go overseas and not tell the American people why and the projected costs. Liberals don't seem to comprehend the message this sends.
 
Conservative said:
Of course you take this Administration at its word even though its word has not yet been accurate. What is the purpose of the trip to India, how many people are on that trip, and what is the projected cost. This President promised transparency and the best you can do is divert to previous Administrations. No other Administration had 16 million unemployed Americans and trillion dollar deficits. How many people could be fed by the cost of this trip? The question is how much is this trip going to cost, ball park figure? You have a problem with the question? I don't recall Clinton taking thousands of people with him.

I don't have a problem with the cost of defending the President, never have, but during these difficult times it sends the wrong message to go overseas and not tell the American people why and the projected costs. Liberals don't seem to comprehend the message this sends.
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So once again, you simply cannot address my point. Dodging and running. I said I didn't take the administration at its word. There is no way possible that this trip is costing 200 million dollars a day.

AND EVEN IF IT WAS.

You can't prove it.

So tits or GTFO.
 
Jetboogieman said:
So once again, you simply cannot address my point. Dodging and running. I said I didn't take the administration at its word. There is no way possible that this trip is costing 200 million dollars a day.

AND EVEN IF IT WAS.

You can't prove it.

So tits or GTFO.
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You cannot prove that the cost isn't as reported in the India Press and simply buy what you are told by an Administration that has spent two years lying to the American people. The question has been asked of this Administration and the answer is "for security reasons" we cannot provide you the cost. That is liberal bs and you know it. There is nothing that prevents this Administration from giving a ballpark estimate other than their own arrogance and total ignorance of the problems Americans face today.

I find it interesting that someone who isn't even from this country, like you, is such an expert on what is going on in this country. You really don't have a lot of credibility when you point to rhetoric from this Administration and Constitutional issues in this country. Have you ever read the U.S. Constitution?
 
Conservative said:
You cannot prove that the cost isn't as reported in the India Press and simply buy what you are told by an Administration that has spent two years lying to the American people. The question has been asked of this Administration and the answer is "for security reasons" we cannot provide you the cost. That is liberal bs and you know it. There is nothing that prevents this Administration from giving a ballpark estimate other than their own arrogance and total ignorance of the problems Americans face today.

I find it interesting that someone who isn't even from this country, like you, is such an expert on what is going on in this country. You really don't have a lot of credibility when you point to rhetoric from this Administration and Constitutional issues in this country. Have you ever read the U.S. Constitution?
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So you can't address anything I've said.

If it was a Republican president you'd howl the "Security Reasons" excuse for months even if it was true.

You're a partisan hack, you're not interested in the truth, or reason or logic. And we've all known this for awhile.

ONCE AGAIN! I did not take the administration on its word, I did my own research into the cost of Presidential trips disclosed all the way back to George H.W. Bush and they all didn't even come close. I mean for Christ sake, here in Toronto it only cost 1. something Billion to host the G20 summit. All those world leaders... and you're telling me with


ONE UNCONFIRMED SOURCE

That you're "Just right because you know so" And then you start spouting your right wing rhetoric and expect somehow thats gonna change my mind.

Deliver the receipts to my desk after the trip, and I'll believe you. But you can't prove you're right using one unconfirmed source, spouting your rhetoric and then expect you're gonna change peoples minds. If it was the other way around and a conservative president, you'd rip me to shreds for what you're doing right now.

There are plenty of legitimate grievances against Obama.

THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
 
Jetboogieman said:
So you can't address anything I've said.

If it was a Republican president you'd howl the "Security Reasons" excuse for months even if it was true.

You're a partisan hack, you're not interested in the truth, or reason or logic. And we've all known this for awhile.

ONCE AGAIN! I did not take the administration on its word, I did my own research into the cost of Presidential trips disclosed all the way back to George H.W. Bush and they all didn't even come close. I mean for Christ sake, here in Toronto it only cost 1. something Billion to host the G20 summit. All those world leaders... and you're telling me with


ONE UNCONFIRMED SOURCE

That you're "Just right because you know so" And then you start spouting your right wing rhetoric and expect somehow thats gonna change my mind.

Deliver the receipts to my desk after the trip, and I'll believe you. But you can't prove you're right using one unconfirmed source, spouting your rhetoric and then expect you're gonna change peoples minds. If it was the other way around and a conservative president, you'd rip me to shreds for what you're doing right now.

There are plenty of legitimate grievances against Obama.

THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
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How about demanding that this Administration confrim the cost of the trip then instead of the bs that they can't because of security concerns. What security issue does it raise for the Administration to address the purpose of the trip and the cost?

Nice spin, if it were a Republican Administration I would question it as well. You seem to have a hard time comprehending what I wrote. Let me restate one more time this time in caps, I WANT SECURITY FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES REGARDLESS OF THE COSTS. Get it yet? Address the ball park cost of this trip and keep at least one promise to be transparent.

Thie grievance against Obama is one of many and they all begin and end with his commitment to be transparent. Just another lie from this President and again you let is slide.
 
Conservative said:
How about demanding that this Administration confrim the cost of the trip then instead of the bs that they can't because of security concerns. What security issue does it raise for the Administration to address the purpose of the trip and the cost?

Nice spin, if it were a Republican Administration I would question it as well. You seem to have a hard time comprehending what I wrote. Let me restate one more time this time in caps, I WANT SECURITY FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES REGARDLESS OF THE COSTS. Get it yet? Address the ball park cost of this trip and keep at least one promise to be transparent.

Thie grievance against Obama is one of many and they all begin and end with his commitment to be transparent. Just another lie from this President and again you let is slide.
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Conservative said:
that is typical response from a liberal, moving the goal posts? Liberals cannot even find the goalposts to move.
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Says the guy who could not address a single point I made, and just instead started spouting rhetoric that had nothing to do with the OP or the topic.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Says the guy who could not address a single point I made, and just instead started spouting rhetoric that had nothing to do with the OP or the topic.
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Your points are pointless and don't answer the thread topic. Just because the Obama Administration says so doesn't make it accurate. The Obama Administration has yet to tell the truth on any issue yet for some reason you continue to buy the rhetoric on this one. Where is the Obama transparency? What is the cost of this trip and how does giving the cost violate security concerns?
 
Conservative said:
What is the cost of this trip and how does giving the cost violate security concerns?
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I dunno. It's protocol. Been done for every single president since god knows when.

So why now? Why this President? Why all of a sudden do you have to know now?

Oh I know, because it's a democrat in office and you're picking at straws, ANYTHING you can say to get at him. I understand you hate him and his policies. But this was a made up story.

You're basing this ENTIRE THING off this:

An unconfirmed source from a foreign Newspaper

Real classy man. Real classy.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I dunno. It's protocol. Been done for every single president since god knows when.

So why now? Why this President? Why all of a sudden do you have to know now?

Oh I know, because it's a democrat in office and you're picking at straws, ANYTHING you can say to get at him. I understand you hate him and his policies. But this was a made up story.

You're basing this ENTIRE THING off this:

An unconfirmed source from a foreign Newspaper

Real classy man. Real classy.
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Three Trillion Added to the debt, 16 million unemployed, 4 million more unemployed than when Obama signed the Stimulus, higher unempoyment over a year after the end of the recession So what does Obama do? Takes a trip to India to see the Festival of Lights and doesn't tell the American people what it is going to cost.
 
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