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    Voters ban judges from using international law

    You really have to wonder why this even had to put to a vote.

    OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) Oklahoma voters have approved a measure that would forbid judges from considering international law or Islamic law when deciding cases.

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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You really have to wonder why this even had to put to a vote.
    because some idiot judge had to open his/her idiot mouth and say something about "international law", and people thought of the worst, put it to vote, and made sure the worst would never happen. :/

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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Okay boy genius (not you Dark), what happens if there is an issue that has never been dealt with in the US but has effectively been dealt with in foreign courts? By your reasoning, we cannot even look at how they dealt with it.

    The whole "not invented here" attitude is very much detrimental to America.
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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    because some idiot judge had to open his/her idiot mouth and say something about "international law", and people thought of the worst, put it to vote, and made sure the worst would never happen. :/
    Which is ridiculous. If we went on what's the worse that could happen, we'd do nothing. If an international court did something that was reasonable, gels with the COTUS, was intelligent and resolved the issue well, I see no intelligent reason not to examine international law. If we adopted the asinine "not invented here" we'd have to forgo a large number of daily things.
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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You really have to wonder why this even had to put to a vote.
    I am glad the law passed. No judge in the US should ever cite foreign law.
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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Okay boy genius (not you Dark), what happens if there is an issue that has never been dealt with in the US but has effectively been dealt with in foreign courts?

    Then that is too bad. The intent of the authors behind the law is what should be looked up, not how judges in another country rule on something.

    By your reasoning, we cannot even look at how they dealt with it.
    The whole "not invented here" attitude is very much detrimental to America.
    Judges in the US should not even in the first place be looking how other countries handle their cases. We not Mexico, Canada, Britain or some other country. I know I do not want judges here looking at Eurotrash example of the right to bear to arms, free speech or any other thing.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then that is too bad. The intent of the authors behind the law is what should be looked up, not how judges in another country rule on something.
    So basically you're saying it doesn't matter if the outcome was good, the reasoning just, and the law fine, not invented here so screw it?

    Wow. And you think you are a patriot? Really.

    Judges in the US should not even in the first place be looking how other countries handle their cases. We not Mexico, Canada, Britain or some other country. I know I do not want judges here looking at Eurotrash example of the right to bear to arms, free speech or any other thing.
    So basically you are saying that if a new issue comes up, we should bar judges from looking at how other countries either successfully or unsuccessfully handled it?

    You do know a fool learns from his mistakes and a wise man learns from others' mistakes no?

    Like I said, the "not invented here" is detrimental to America. Tell me, do you use anything that was invented or improved overseas?
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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So basically you're saying it doesn't matter if the outcome was good, the reasoning just, and the law fine, not invented here so screw it?
    One man's garbage is another man's treasure. In other words its a matter of perspective of what a good outcome is. I do not want a judge citing euro-trash version of free speech, middle eastern punishment for theft, or how some other country punishes their offenders for various other offenses.

    Wow. And you think you are a patriot? Really.
    You do realize that you can not be a patriot and a globalist piece of **** at the same time. Letting judges cite foreign law is very unpatriotic.

    So basically you are saying that if a new issue comes up, we should bar judges from looking at how other countries either successfully or unsuccessfully handled it?
    Yes we should ban judges from citing ANOTHER COUNTRY'S LAWS. Its a matter of perspective of what was successfully handled or unsuccessfully handled.


    You do know a fool learns from his mistakes and a wise man learns from others' mistakes no?
    This is why voters in Oklahoma enacted this law. Its because of the fact they learned from other states mistakes and a few rats in the supreme court who cited foreign law.

    Like I said, the "not invented here" is detrimental to America. Tell me, do you use anything that was invented or improved overseas?

    The laws on our books do not have squat to do with me using a piece of electronics or machinery. Even if our country for example copied a particular law word for word from another country judges still should not look how judges in other countries handled cases involving that law. What is good or a bad court ruling is subjective, so judges in this country should not in any shape or form cite laws in another country.
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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not want a judge citing euro-trash version of free speech, middle eastern punishment for theft, or how some other country punishes their offenders for various other offenses.
    Has a US judge done any of these things?
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is why voters in Oklahoma enacted this law. Its because of the fact they learned from other states mistakes and a few rats in the supreme court who cited foreign law.
    How did they cite it?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    One man's garbage is another man's treasure. In other words its a matter of perspective of what a good outcome is. I do not want a judge citing euro-trash version of free speech, middle eastern punishment for theft, or how some other country punishes their offenders for various other offenses.
    Where did I say anything about citing it? You are clearly against them even looking at what happened overseas. Tell me, do you think that everything our court system will see it has already seen?

    Your xenophobia is pretty ridiculous.

    You do realize that you can not be a patriot and a globalist piece of **** at the same time.
    Actually the opposite is true. You cannot be a patriot and be a xenophobe at the same time. The world is too interconnected to just give the finger to everyone else. To ignore what occurs elsewhere or to scorn it is to leave yourself and this country exceedingly blind. Tell me how that benefits America.

    Letting judges cite foreign law is very unpatriotic.
    Since when did cite = look? The law bans "considering" which includes looking at foreign instances in courts and incorporating them into thinking. Basically, you want us to ignore everything foreign courts did, even when the subject is new to the US and dealt with overseas. I'd rather our court looks at how overseas courts either handles it well or totally screwed it up so we don't make the same mistakes. It appears you'd rather have us learn from our mistakes rather then learn from others' mistakes.

    Yes we should ban judges from citing ANOTHER COUNTRY'S LAWS. Its a matter of perspective of what was successfully handled or unsuccessfully handled.
    Since when was citing = considering? And no, it's not always a manner of perspective. You have this notion that anything not America is automatically bad.

    This is why voters in Oklahoma enacted this law. Its because of the fact they learned from other states mistakes and a few rats in the supreme court who cited foreign law.
    Such as....

    You do realize that this law was based on idiocy that some places in the US are enacting Shar'ia? Despite the fact that is occurring nowhere in the US.

    The laws on our books do not have squat to do with me using a piece of electronics or machinery.
    How about an idea?
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