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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    This law is fairly useless, judges can still take inspiration from international law, they just can't tell anyone.
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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    This law is fairly useless, judges can still take inspiration from international law, they just can't tell anyone.
    Indeed. It's a waste of legislation. Conservatives are right. Fewer laws are better laws.
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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Has a US judge done any of these things?
    How did they cite it?
    I do not know about those things in particular buts judges here in the US have cited foreign law

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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    The appellate court reversed this absurd decision, saying:

    As the judge recognized, the case thus presents a conflict between the criminal law and religious precepts. In resolving this conflict, the judge determined to except defendant from the operation of the State's statutes as the result of his religious beliefs. In doing so, the judge was mistaken.
    Look! The system works! And that judge should probably be impeached or not renewed. Appeals courts reverse bad decisions. Like how it's suppose to be.

    And Ginsburg makes a good point. "Why shouldn’t we look to the wisdom of a judge from abroad with at least as much ease as we would read a law review article written by a professor?” The notion that COTUS will cover everything is pretty insane.
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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Now if only we could stop the US Supreme court from doing it

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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Where did I say anything about citing it? You are clearly against them even looking at what happened overseas. Tell me, do you think that everything our court system will see it has already seen?
    I do not know nor do I care. Judges here have no business looking(pc speak for citing) at foreign law.

    Your xenophobia is pretty ridiculous.
    Your desperation in defending globalist judges is ridiculous.

    Actually the opposite is true.
    No its not.Patriotism is synonymous with nationalism.Globalism is the opposite of nationalism

    Patriotism Synonyms, Patriotism Antonyms | Thesaurus.com
    Main Entry: patriotism
    Part of Speech: noun
    Definition: love of one's country
    Synonyms: allegiance, chauvinism, flag-waving, loyalty, nationalism, public spirit


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    nationalism
    Antonym of internationalism


    You cannot be a patriot and be a xenophobe at the same time. The world is too interconnected to just give the finger to everyone else. To ignore what occurs elsewhere or to scorn it is to leave yourself and this country exceedingly blind. Tell me how that benefits America.

    Xenophobia. SO you want to attach that word to not wanting judges to cite laws in other countries? You can not be a globalist/internationalist and a patriot at the same time. Its like being pro-life and running an abortion clinic, it can't happen because they are the opposite of each other.

    Since when did cite = look? The law bans "considering" which includes looking at foreign instances in courts and incorporating them into thinking. Basically, you want us to ignore everything foreign courts did, even when the subject is new to the US and dealt with overseas. I'd rather our court looks at how overseas courts either handles it well or totally screwed it up so we don't make the same mistakes. It appears you'd rather have us learn from our mistakes rather then learn from others' mistakes.


    Since when was citing = considering? And no, it's not always a manner of perspective. You have this notion that anything not America is automatically bad.
    Whats the point in looking if they are not going to cite it or use that example? The only reason to be looking in the first place is to use them as an example. A judge here in the US has no business looking how Russia handles thieves or how Britain handles free speech cases.


    Such as....

    You do realize that this law was based on idiocy that some places in the US are enacting Shar'ia? Despite the fact that is occurring nowhere in the US.
    You do realize some idiot judge in New Jersey cited SHaria law and even a supreme court judge cited foreign law? The decision did get reversed, but a judge citing foreign law should have never happened in the first place.That is why Oklahoma enacted its anti-globalist/internationalist law.

    How about an idea?
    I do not care if the US copies Mexico's laws in dealing with illegals. A judge should only look(pc speak for cite) at US copy of the law dealing with illegals, not court cases in Mexico. If we copy Mexico's laws in dealing with illegals we pretty much know the intent behind that law regardless of the fact if today was the first time someone was punished according to hose laws,judges do not need to look at Mexico's court room decisions involving the law.
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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Look! The system works! And that judge should probably be impeached or not renewed. Appeals courts reverse bad decisions. Like how it's suppose to be.
    And if New Jersey had a law banning judges from citing forign laws then they would have never had to worry about repealing a bad judges ruling like that. How time passed between the woman getting the restraining order denied and that idiot judges ruling revered?

    And Ginsburg makes a good point. "Why shouldn’t we look to the wisdom of a judge from abroad with at least as much ease as we would read a law review article written by a professor?” The notion that COTUS will cover everything is pretty insane.
    Ginsburg and any other judge who looks/cites foreign law is a piece of **** who should be removed.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    The law is fairly useless on multiple levels. One aspect that hasn't been mentioned is that if the Federal gov honours an international law, that means every State has to. Oklahoma can go suck a lemon.

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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not know nor do I care. Judges here have no business looking(pc speak for citing) at foreign law.
    Hence your view. You don't care to look forward to the future.

    Our court system has not seen everything that it will see. And eventually there is going to be something new we haven't seen before that some other court dealt with. You would have us ignore how that went down and go in completely and utterly blind. And you call yourself a patriot. Really. More information often leads to better decisions. You seem to think that's not true.

    Your desperation in defending globalist judges is ridiculous.
    Actually, I can see more then a few feet in front of me.

    No its not.Patriotism is synonymous with nationalism.Globalism is the opposite of nationalism
    Globalist does not mean internationalism. Furthermore you have failed to address my point entirely. It's sad how you want to be the ostrich that sticks his head in the sand....and then gets eaten by the lions.

    Xenophobia. SO you want to attach that word to not wanting judges to cite laws in other countries?
    Nope. I'm attaching it to your "Not American = Bad" attitude.

    You can not be a globalist/internationalist and a patriot at the same time. Its like being pro-life and running an abortion clinic, it can't happen because they are the opposite of each other.
    Except that you have defined internationalist = globalist unilaterally. How's the sand in your hair?

    Whats the point in looking if they are not going to cite it or use that example? The only reason to be looking in the first place is to use them as an example. A judge here in the US has no business looking how Russia handles thieves or how Britain handles free speech cases.
    So you do think that everything that our courts will see it has already seen. Please show me how that is true and why you believe it. You seem to be under this asinine notion that courts won't follow clear US precedent. Courts look overseas when the issue is new and there isn't much or any US precedent to follow. What you propose is to prevent them from looking at how other courts dealt with issues American courts have not. It's like telling your kid they can't ask the neighbors for math help because you never came across this type of equation before. Crazy. No one is proposing that US courts ignore US precedent. The issue is new issues.

    You do realize some idiot judge in New Jersey cited SHaria law and even a supreme court judge cited foreign law?
    Read the posts before you. I already cited how they got overturned. Appeals courts work. Like they are suppose to.

    The decision did get reversed, but a judge citing foreign law should have never happened in the first place.That is why Oklahoma enacted its anti-globalist/internationalist law.
    So one judge makes a mistake and we do this. Is that rational? Especially when the appeals court works?

    If we copy Mexico's laws in dealing with illegals we pretty much know the intent behind that law regardless of the fact if today was the first time someone was punished according to hose laws,judges do not need to look at Mexico's court room decisions involving the law.
    Okay boy genius. What happens when a new issue comes up. One the US hasn't dealt with before. Why is it SO BAD to look at how other courts dealt with it.

    Your crazy ass notion that everything the courts will see it has seen is just that. Crazy.
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    Re: Voters ban judges from using international law

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The law is fairly useless on multiple levels. One aspect that hasn't been mentioned is that if the Federal gov honours an international law, that means every State has to. Oklahoma can go suck a lemon.
    Good point. Especially since the text of the law says that international law is defined also by treaties. As those are federal laws, they automatically supercede state law rendering this state law invalid.
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