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Rally to Restore Sanity attendance estimated at 215,000

Conservative said:
All you had to do was watch the Restoring Sanity rally to see where the honor was lost or the Oct 4 rally OneNationTogetehr and see what honor was lost. You choose not to see so watch the elections tomorrow and maybe that will wake you up to the feelings of the majority in this country.
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If I have honor. It cannot be taken away from me. I will retain that honor forever for which I have earned.

Just because a black dude with a (D) next to his name is elected, does not mean you, or anyone else "loses" honor.

Tell me once again. How has honor been lost? And why does a dude named Glenn Beck have to restore it? And how did he actually restore it?

I'm sorry once again... the "Majority" of the country... Yep whatever dude.
 
Conservative said:
All you had to do was watch the Restoring Sanity rally to see where the honor was lost or the Oct 4 rally OneNationTogetehr and see what honor was lost. You choose not to see so watch the elections tomorrow and maybe that will wake you up to the feelings of the majority in this country.
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So if you can see the examples of where the honor was lost at the Restoring Sanity rally, then didn't Beck fail :2razz:
 
Jetboogieman said:
If I have honor. It cannot be taken away from me. I will retain that honor forever for which I have earned.

Just because a black dude with a (D) next to his name is elected, does not mean you, or anyone else "loses" honor.

Tell me once again. How has honor been lost? And why does a dude named Glenn Beck have to restore it? And how did he actually restore it?

I'm sorry once again... the "Majority" of the country... Yep whatever dude.
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What honor? The honor that comes from accomplishing something yourself, for results coming from accepting personal responsibility, for having pride in your country, for doing things on your own without that so called liberal help, for accepting a small central govt. and the benefits you generate for yourself and your personal help for those truly in need.

Bringing people together for a non political rally is what Beck did and the attitude of that crowd restored honor compared to the signs of the Returning Sanity rally, to the negative rhetoric of the Democrats today facing a crushing defeat tomorrow
 
Conservative said:
Only if you want to ignore the results from 2003-2007 when there was 52 months of strong economic growth and job creation. The people bought the rhetoric that you are trying to sell the public today and the results speak for themselves. Democrats took control of Congress and were more interested in regaining the WH than working to prevent the recession they helped create.

Did you see GW Bush throw out the first pitch last night in Arlington and the reception he got? Did you see the Ohio Polls that have Bush more popular today than Obama? The American people have "buyer's remorse" and we will see that reality tomorrow.
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I can see your point. 2003-2007 was great political leadership by the President and congress. They increased the deficit to unprecedented levels, conducted the worst mismanagement of a war ever seen in the history of this country, and allowed an artificial housing bubble to grow to outrageous levels. Give me 8 more years of that!
 
marduc said:
...are that we want both sides to shut the **** up and stop treating their fellow Americans like enemies..
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Now all you need is a couple of brain-dead camera whores to prance and clown in front of the camera and about a dozen porta-potties and you too can have a rally on the Mall!
 
Johnny DooWop said:
I can see your point. 2003-2007 was great political leadership by the President and congress. They increased the deficit to unprecedented levels, conducted the worst mismanagement of a war ever seen in the history of this country, and allowed an artificial housing bubble to grow to outrageous levels. Give me 8 more years of that!
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Again, facts always get in the way of your rhetoric, deficits in 2003-2007 were much less than the deficits of 2007-2008 and over half the deficits of 2009-2010. Amazing how actual facts get in the way of your opinion as you continue to buy rhetoric. Think that Democrats had no impact on the artificial housing bubble? Looks like the public is fed up with the actual results Obama has generated and we shall see tomorrow.

Fiscal year (begins 10/01 of prev. year)

Value % of GDP

2001 $144.5 billion 1.4%
2002 $409.5 billion 3.9%
2003 $589.0 billion 5.5%
2004 $605.0 billion 5.3%
2005 $523.0 billion 4.3%
2006 $536.5 billion 4.1%
2007 $459.5 billion 3.4%
2008 $962.2 billion 6.6%
2009 $1785.6 billion 12.5%
2010 $1471.0 billion (est.)10.0%
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
Which has exactly what to do with him singing "Peace Train" at the rally?
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With thousands of artists... thousands... they select The One who defended the Fatwa on Rushdie.
This... for a rally "to restore sanity".

ROTFLMFAO.
Retarded.

Now... Leibowitz might have done it because he's a Jew and Cat is a Muslim... and wanted to make an under-the-radar political statement to the terror radikals in the world... no hard feelings about their threats and idiocy... but he could have done that on his show.

Do you remember what happened in America when Yusuf Stevens defended the Fatwa?

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zimmer said:
With thousands of artists... thousands... they select The One who defended the Fatwa on Rushdie.
This... for a rally "to restore sanity".

ROTFLMFAO.
Retarded.

Now... Leibowitz might have done it because he's a Jew and Cat is a Muslim... and wanted to make an under-the-radar political statement to the terror radikals in the world... no hard feelings about their threats and idiocy... but he could have done that on his show.

Do you remember what happened in America when he defended the Fatwa?

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I'm pretty sure it had more to do with his song being called Peace Train, and Ozzy's song being called Crazy Train, and the dichotomy that it brings with the whole Sanity vs Fear thing, that was the biggest gag of the rally.
 
Your Star said:
I'm pretty sure it had more to do with his song being called Peace Train, and Ozzy's song being called Crazy Train, and the dichotomy that it brings with the whole Sanity vs Fear thing, that was the biggest gag of the rally.
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Yeah. Hilarious gag.
 
zimmer said:
With thousands of artists... thousands... they select The One who defended the Fatwa on Rushdie.
This... for a rally "to restore sanity".

ROTFLMFAO.
Retarded.

Now... Leibowitz might have done it because he's a Jew and Cat is a Muslim... and wanted to make an under-the-radar political statement to the terror radikals in the world... no hard feelings about their threats and idiocy... but he could have done that on his show.

Do you remember what happened in America when Yusuf Stevens defended the Fatwa?

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I don't know about you, but I don't let my politics dictate my musical tastes. I'm a Cat Stevens fan and probably always will be.
 
Conservative said:
Again, facts always get in the way of your rhetoric, deficits in 2003-2007 were much less than the deficits of 2007-2008 and over half the deficits of 2009-2010. Amazing how actual facts get in the way of your opinion as you continue to buy rhetoric. Think that Democrats had no impact on the artificial housing bubble? Looks like the public is fed up with the actual results Obama has generated and we shall see tomorrow.

Fiscal year (begins 10/01 of prev. year)

Value % of GDP

2001 $144.5 billion 1.4%
2002 $409.5 billion 3.9%
2003 $589.0 billion 5.5%
2004 $605.0 billion 5.3%
2005 $523.0 billion 4.3%
2006 $536.5 billion 4.1%
2007 $459.5 billion 3.4%
2008 $962.2 billion 6.6%
2009 $1785.6 billion 12.5%
2010 $1471.0 billion (est.)10.0%
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But that's the difference between me and you, I know the facts and I can admit that my president and party of choice has flaws. I'll say it right here, the Democrats naively believed everyone had a "right" to own a house, Obama didn't follow through with some of his promises, and his spending has been out of control. You on the other hand are obsessed with representing your party, and your potent, malicious hatred for all Democratic politicians and supporters keeps you in complete denial of some of your parties and president's catastrophic policies during the last two terms. And that is what "our" rally was about, restoring reasonableness and sanity, looking at the problems found in both parties and trying to find real solutions instead of picking a side, adopting every single issue without question and backing every single politician without any objectivity.
 
Your Star said:
I'm pretty sure it had more to do with his song being called Peace Train, and Ozzy's song being called Crazy Train, and the dichotomy that it brings with the whole Sanity vs Fear thing, that was the biggest gag of the rally.
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Add onto that the resulting cacophony when both sides were trying to play over top of each other simultaneously. The underlying message in that skit/performance was layered, poignant and very accurate.
 
Johnny DooWop said:
But that's the difference between me and you, I know the facts and I can admit that my president and party of choice has flaws. I'll say it right here, the Democrats naively believed everyone had a "right" to own a house, Obama didn't follow through with some of his promises, and his spending has been out of control. You on the other hand are obsessed with representing your party, and your potent, malicious hatred for all Democratic politicians and supporters keeps you in complete denial of some of your parties and president's catastrophic policies during the last two terms. And that is what "our" rally was about, restoring reasonableness and sanity, looking at the problems found in both parties and trying to find real solutions instead of picking a side, adopting every single issue without question and backing every single politician without any objectivity.
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Actually the difference between me and you is that I understand the role of the govt. whereas it appears that you do not. Didn't see signs supporting the Tea Party or the Conservative movement but I did see a lot of displays of insanity where results are ignored and rhetoric promoted.

"I won, you lost" was Obama's attitude and that doesn't promote bipartisanship and the results matter. You will notice the results from 2003-2007 if you go to bea.gov, bls.gov, and the U.S. Treasury Dept which also show the results from 2007-2010 but doubt you have any real interest in going there.

You also don't seem to understand, I don't have a party, I have an ideology, Conservatism, and it is the only ideology that makes any sense. It is a Constitutional ideology that promotes smaller govt. and return of social programs to the states where they belong. It really doesn't appear to me that you know the facts because you have yet to post any as to exactly what Obama has done. It is all about rhetoric and attacking the other side. Results matter and that is why Obama loses tomorrow.
 
Conservative said:
You will notice the results from 2003-2007 if you go to bea.gov, bls.gov, and the U.S. Treasury Dept which also show the results from 2007-2010 but doubt you have any real interest in going there
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Running a country has a lot more to do with value % of GDP, including but not limited to, debt, national security, wealth disparities, foreign policy and so on.

Conservative said:
You also don't seem to understand, I don't have a party, I have an ideology, Conservatism, and it is the only ideology that makes any sense.
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The Republican party has veered far away from true conservatism in many ways. I'm still waiting to hear you criticize some of the Republican parties policies that were implemented during the last two terms, and to then offer some assurance that if we vote for Republicans tomorrow it won't happen again.
 
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RyrineaHaruno said:
Oh great, so basically people have turned this thread in to a measuring dick contest.
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Jetboogieman said:
And sufficed to say, with the pathetic arguments in this thread. I'm winning! :lol:
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So, essentially, you're saying you're the biggest dick in this thread? :ninja:
 
Dr_Patrick said:
I don't know about you, but I don't let my politics dictate my musical tastes. I'm a Cat Stevens fan and probably always will be.
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Nice, but it doesn't change the fact this is a guy who OK'd the Fatwa against Salman Rushdie... and of all the artists they invited to a... Rally... to ... Restore ... Sanity... they chose someone who supported a religious and state assassination plan.

And why was this man a threat? Writing a book.

Perhaps we should invite those who want to kill cartoonists next time... or those that kill film makers.

B R A I N ... D E A D.

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Johnny DooWop said:
Running a country has a lot more to do with value % of GDP, including but not limited to, debt, national security, wealth disparities, foreign policy and so on.



The Republican party has veered far away from true conservatism in many ways. I'm still waiting to hear you criticize some of the Republican parties policies that were implemented during the last two terms, and to then offer some assurance that if we vote for Republicans tomorrow it won't happen again.
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It is too late to criticize Republicans who aren't in power and haven't been for two years. I judged Obama on his resume not his rhetoric and have been proven right. Results today matter, not what you perceive Bush did in 2007-2008 because what he did isn't something you want to understand. Obama took credit for bringing the country back from the brink when the reality is TARP did that, nothing that Obama did other than vote for it. This country wasn't built on Obama principles. If the economy gets better it will do so at too high of a cost and thus that isn't an improvement at all.
 
Conservative said:
It is too late to criticize Republicans who aren't in power and haven't been for two years.
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So basically you're saying the past doesn't matter now, focus on the future...but wait didn't you also say

Conservative said:
Looked to me like it was the rally of the insane, you know the people that do the same thing over and over again expecting a different result?
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Don't have to review the past in order to keep from repeating it? Don't we then have to examine the Bush policies that didn't work, in order to keep from repeating them?
 
Here's some interesting views... seems the gathering was VERY white, and VERY liberal, something the media seemed to pick up on with the Glen Beck gathering at the Mall.


Here's the entire video, but some of the standouts were:



2:55
Q:What do you think when you hear Olbermann says Bush is a fascist, does that bother you as much?
A: Usually I'm listening to it more in context and it's more for a point and it's more hyperbole than a fact.

3:49
Q: What would be a conservative position or a non liberal position you would consider reasonable?
A:<pause> Uhmm... That would take some thought man... Uhh

3:20
A: You don't see reasonable people put hitler mustaches on people's faces
Q: ... So there's nobody with Bush Hitler signs like there are with Obama's as as Hitler?
A: ... I see what your saying... No ...but really if there should have been a Hitler sign on someone it would be him (Bush) I hate to say it.

3:14
Q: So if someone gave you a sign that said "Fight the fear of MSNBC", would you carry that sign too?
A: I don't think I would...

4:30
We hope to get the point out that it's not all about getting your point out.

The last one was probably the best answer I heard in the entire segment.




 
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