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Massive Muslim inbreeding over 1,400 years may have ruined gene pool

I don't have a board in my eye. At least not in this case.
 
Jesus constantly exhorts us to check out prophets, whether they be of God.
Matthew 7:15
Matthew 24:11
2 Peter 2:1
1 John 4:1

Of course there are many more, but Jesus refers to those who make signs and wonders, and Mo never did.
...And there are tons more, but I didn't think you would want to spend all day looking up Bible verses.
Suffice it to say, Jesus exhorts us to check out the prophets, and we have done so and found Mo to be false.
This is the Christian consensus, which ALL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE.
 
spud_meister said:
Prove it, show me a single shread of evidence that proves all Christians believe that.
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Look, if you can't handle the truth, sorry.
Christians all believe that we can only attain salvation through Christ. That is the central theme of Christianity. If a Christian doesn't believe that, they aren't a Christian.
It's just a fact.
There can only be one true religion, and Christians know that Christianity is it.
Ask any real Christian. That's just the way it is, bud.
 
julietsm said:
Look, if you can't handle the truth, sorry.
Christians all believe that we can only attain salvation through Christ. That is the central theme of Christianity. If a Christian doesn't believe that, they aren't a Christian.
It's just a fact.
There can only be one true religion, and Christians know that Christianity is it.
Ask any real Christian. That's just the way it is, bud.
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So Judaism is a false religion?
 
julietsm said:
Jesus constantly exhorts us to check out prophets, whether they be of God.
Matthew 7:15
Matthew 24:11
2 Peter 2:1
1 John 4:1

Of course there are many more, but Jesus refers to those who make signs and wonders, and Mo never did.
...And there are tons more, but I didn't think you would want to spend all day looking up Bible verses.
Suffice it to say, Jesus exhorts us to check out the prophets, and we have done so and found Mo to be false.
This is the Christian consensus, which ALL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE.
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Actually, that would constitute checking out somebody else's prophets.

I think you are supposed to examine your own a little more thoroughly.
 
spud_meister said:
So Judaism is a false religion?
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It is a failed religion, as they failed to recognise the Messiah when he came. As 1John 2:22 says, which echo’s closely Jesus’ own words (John 14:6-7) "Who is a liar but the person who denies that Jesus is the Christ? The person who denies the Father and the Son is the antichrist. No one who denies the Son has the Father. The person who acknowledges the Son also has the Father."

Jesus brought the New Covenant when he came which the Jews rejected because of arrogance & pride. There are Messianic Jews, who accept Jesus as the Messiah, but mainstream Judaism is no longer correct as the gospel of Jesus & his redemption for our sins was to be open to all gentiles who accepted him & not just the Jews alone.
 
Goshin said:
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LOL! Hey, it's a free world still, so I think we can handle a little heat as long as we don't let the boiler blow up! :)
 
spud_meister said:
Prove it, show me a single shread of evidence that proves all Christians believe that.
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With just the two verses I posted (& there are more) then as a true Christian you have to believe that. If not then you are one of those ones that went through the wide gate to destruction, and not the narrow gate that leads to the Father.
 
Knighty2001 said:
LOL! Hey, it's a free world still, so I think we can handle a little heat as long as we don't let the boiler blow up! :)
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julietsm said:
Jesus constantly exhorts us to check out prophets, whether they be of God.
Matthew 7:15
Matthew 24:11
2 Peter 2:1
1 John 4:1

Of course there are many more, but Jesus refers to those who make signs and wonders, and Mo never did.
...And there are tons more, but I didn't think you would want to spend all day looking up Bible verses.
Suffice it to say, Jesus exhorts us to check out the prophets, and we have done so and found Mo to be false.
This is the Christian consensus, which ALL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE.
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This is all true, but here is the problem....

You are belittling others and showing hypocrisy rather than leading by example. Instead of teaching in love about Christ and forgiveness, you are preaching in hate and Lie's in some cases.

You are teaching the opposite of what and how Christ taught.
 
julietsm said:
The same page?
You're tripping!
Cite your source.
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Well we both rejected Jesus being "god."

Same page as far as I can tell.
Much closer than Christianity with either Islam or Judaism.

Did I mention how much you should go into missionary? You'd put people off Christianity much faster than anyone else I know.
 
julietsm said:
And what, specifically, have Christians done that in any way compares with the worldwide violence IN EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH perpetrated by Islamists?

And btw, Miss Perfect, I'll match my IQ and genetics with yours any old time.
You think you're superior to me, a Kafir, but I assure you I am a well-bred woman with every mental and physical advantage.
AND THAT is exactly why people don't like Muslims.
You think that you are superior, but really you're just a legend in your own mind.
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have you been infracted yet?
 
Blackdog said:
This is all true, but here is the problem....

You are belittling others and showing hypocrisy rather than leading by example. Instead of teaching in love about Christ and forgiveness, you are preaching in hate and Lie's in some cases.

You are teaching the opposite of what and how Christ taught.
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Jesus never expected us not to defend ourselves or warn of any imminent dangers or threats. Whilst love, compassion, tolerance & respect are crucial to Jesus’ word, he also knew that there would be times when we as Christians would need to defend ourselves too as he says explicitly in Luke 22:36 of the persecution that would come to the apostles after his death; “Then he said to them, "But now the one who has a wallet must take it along, and his travelling bag, too. And the one who has no sword must sell his coat and buy one.”

A survey from 4 years ago conducted in Britain show the attitudes of British Muslims; over 30% of them would like to live under shari’a law rather than the British legal system; 62% think that free speech should not be allowed; 22% of Muslims think that the July 2005 bombings in London where 52 civilians were killed & 700 more were injured was a justified act of terrorism.

As the population of Muslims in Britain is now 2.5 million & growing (roughly 4% of the population of 61 Million of the United Kingdom) this means that 1.55 Million of them think that free speech should not be allowed; 550,000 think that the London killings were justified & 750,000 Muslims would want shari’a law instead of British law put in place.

Putting that into context into actual sizes per cities here it means that a city full of Muslims slightly larger than Britain’s 2nd largest city (Birmingham) think free speech should not be allowed at all; also that Britain’s third largest city (Leeds) would just not hold the amount of Muslims who think that shari’a law should be practiced in the UK over British law; and finally that Britain’s 5th largest city (Sheffield) would again just be too small to hold the amount of Muslims who think that terrorism & killing is justified in the name of Islam.

So, do you think that we should just turn the other cheek and let this threat grow unchecked? Or, like Jesus instructed his apostles after his death to do, to get some swords so that they could defend themselves against any enemies? Personally I would go with Jesus here and get a few swords ready, ‘cos if this trend continues then at some point they are going to come in damn handy!

BTW: here’s the link for that survey if you want to peruse it at all.

http://www.slideshare.net/brighteyes/attitudes-to-living-in-britain
 
julietsm said:
Jesus constantly exhorts us to check out prophets, whether they be of God.
Matthew 7:15
Matthew 24:11
2 Peter 2:1
1 John 4:1

Of course there are many more, but Jesus refers to those who make signs and wonders, and Mo never did.
...And there are tons more, but I didn't think you would want to spend all day looking up Bible verses.
Suffice it to say, Jesus exhorts us to check out the prophets, and we have done so and found Mo to be false.
This is the Christian consensus, which ALL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE.
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And if I think John Calvin and Joseph Smith were false prophets.. I wouldn't expect you to care, and I don't.. and John Calvin was no saint by any definition. Many Christian atrocities were committed in the name of his religion.. burning and torturing young girls and women alive... so by your definition he wasn't a Christian himself
 
Laila said:
Well we both rejected Jesus being "god."

Same page as far as I can tell.
Much closer than Christianity with either Islam or Judaism.

Did I mention how much you should go into missionary? You'd put people off Christianity much faster than anyone else I know.
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.. and that is why the rabbis said Muslims are "perfect monotheists." Neither faith believes in the trinity.. even some Christians don't believe in the trinity or in the same trinity.. Both are Abrahamic religions.. :shrug:
 
SheWolf said:
.. and that is why the rabbis said Muslims are "perfect monotheists." Neither faith believes in the trinity.. even some Christians don't believe in the trinity or in the same trinity.. Both are Abrahamic religions.. :shrug:
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Early Christians didn't even believe in the Trinity. Trinity wasn't part of Christian doctrine till 325 AD.

Some questions trinitarians don't like answering:

Why did none of God's Prophets before Jesus mention the Trinity? Not Abraham, Moses, Isaac, Jacob, Solomon, David. None spoke of God as three.

What was the main message of each of God's Prophets? That God was one. "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one."
 
Knighty2001 said:
Jesus never expected us not to defend ourselves or warn of any imminent dangers or threats. Whilst love, compassion, tolerance & respect are crucial to Jesus’ word, he also knew that there would be times when we as Christians would need to defend ourselves too as he says explicitly in Luke 22:36 of the persecution that would come to the apostles after his death; “Then he said to them, "But now the one who has a wallet must take it along, and his travelling bag, too. And the one who has no sword must sell his coat and buy one.”
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And later that same night...

Matthew 26:52 Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.'

Defending yourself from physical violence is not what she is doing. Her battle is one of words and bad attitude about Muslims, Catholics and anything or anyone that does not tow her line.

Even though Christ wants us to defend ourselves, we are still to lead by example and love our neighbors as we do ourselves.

Knighty2001 said:
A survey from 4 years ago conducted in Britain show the attitudes of British Muslims; over 30% of them would like to live under shari’a law rather than the British legal system; 62% think that free speech should not be allowed; 22% of Muslims think that the July 2005 bombings in London where 52 civilians were killed & 700 more were injured was a justified act of terrorism.

As the population of Muslims in Britain is now 2.5 million & growing (roughly 4% of the population of 61 Million of the United Kingdom) this means that 1.55 Million of them think that free speech should not be allowed; 550,000 think that the London killings were justified & 750,000 Muslims would want shari’a law instead of British law put in place.

Putting that into context into actual sizes per cities here it means that a city full of Muslims slightly larger than Britain’s 2nd largest city (Birmingham) think free speech should not be allowed at all; also that Britain’s third largest city (Leeds) would just not hold the amount of Muslims who think that shari’a law should be practiced in the UK over British law; and finally that Britain’s 5th largest city (Sheffield) would again just be too small to hold the amount of Muslims who think that terrorism & killing is justified in the name of Islam.

So, do you think that we should just turn the other cheek and let this threat grow unchecked? Or, like Jesus instructed his apostles after his death to do, to get some swords so that they could defend themselves against any enemies? Personally I would go with Jesus here and get a few swords ready, ‘cos if this trend continues then at some point they are going to come in damn handy!

BTW: here’s the link for that survey if you want to peruse it at all.

Attitudes to Living in Britain
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4% of the population is not a threat. The only reason Islam appears to be growing so fast is high birth rates among Muslims. Factor in the conversion of young adult Muslims and the picture is not as bleak as you think it is.

Muslims and spacifically young Muslims are converting to Christianity etc at a much higher rate than Islam is gaining converts all over the world.

For example 6,000,000 African Muslims convert to secularism or Christianity. In India even the Hindu's as well as Muslims are loosing many to Christianity.

Who did that survey? It is not really a good source. I don't think it is accurate and involves more untruth and bigotry than fact.
 
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Blackdog said:
4% of the population is not a threat. The only reason Islam appears to be growing so fast is high birth rates among Muslims. Factor in the conversion of young adult Muslims and the picture is not as bleak as you think it is.
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Really? You don't think that half a million people thinking that acts of terrorism are OK to be committed in the British Isles is a threat? With the current Muslim population greater than Northern Ireland's population is now & the proportion of terrorism that we got from that smaller group of people was quite substantial don't you think?



Blackdog said:
Who did that survey? It is not really a good source. I don't think it is accurate and involves more untruth and bigotry than fact.
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This was a survey commissioned for Channel4 TV station over here, and used a reputable organisation. So how can conducting a survey and asking Muslims themselves any of these questions be now considered untruths & bigotry? Do you consider it now bigotory to ask someone if they think that acts of terrorism are justified or not?
 
Knighty2001 said:
Really? You don't think that half a million people thinking that acts of terrorism are OK to be committed in the British Isles is a threat? With the current Muslim population greater than Northern Ireland's population is now & the proportion of terrorism that we got from that smaller group of people was quite substantial don't you think?
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No. It is being greatly exaggerated.

Knighty2001 said:
This was a survey commissioned for Channel4 TV station over here, and used a reputable organisation. So how can conducting a survey and asking Muslims themselves any of these questions be now considered untruths & bigotry? Do you consider it now bigotory to ask someone if they think that acts of terrorism are justified or not?
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No references to who was commissioned and what questions were asked. I apologies but I have seen way to much crap on the Internet to accept it a face value. If you can list sources and not a video on a web blog it would help.

No. I consider it bigotry to condemn followers of Islam as terrorist etc by acts of the minority.
 
Blackdog said:
Muslims and spacifically young Muslims are converting to Christianity etc at a much higher rate than Islam is gaining converts all over the world.
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The List: The World's Fastest-Growing Religions | Foreign Policy

According to the World Christian Database, Islam has a growth percentage of 1.84% while Christianity has a 1.38% growth percent.

Although in Africa, there are = many Christian converts daily, especially in Nigeria and South Africa.
 
Degreez said:
The List: The World's Fastest-Growing Religions | Foreign Policy

According to the World Christian Database, Islam has a growth percentage of 1.84% while Christianity has a 1.38% growth percent.

Although in Africa, there are = many Christian converts daily, especially in Nigeria and South Africa.
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They are actually loosing more than they gain as the children reach adulthood. You must also remember the growth rate is relative to the present number of adherents. For example:

Christian conversions are around 2.5 million a year and Islam is around 8.5 hundred-thousand. So the growth rate would seem larger with a quick glance, but it's not. You have around 25.2 million total new Christians per year and around 22.5 million for Islam. This includes births. Now if you look at the total estimated total of each religion, you can see why the percentages for total growth are different.

I used the 1990 to 2000 version of the World Christian Database for my example numbers. Now that information is old but the numbers remain relatively close except for Islam. At the time of my info Islam's growth rate was 2.13% and Christianity was at 1.36%. It is telling looking at the numbers from your data base example.
 
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