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Massive Muslim inbreeding over 1,400 years may have ruined gene pool

I am glad for both you & your boyfriend, & whilst this may be true to a certain degree in the west how do we overlook the fact that the closer one gets to a full Islamic society, with the majority of a countries populace being muslims, how do we account that this tolerance in the most generally disappears & Jews, Christians etc, are not so well recieved? If Islam is tolerant of other religions how is it that a large proportion of Islamic states forbid the building of any churches, synagogs or other places of worship? Are these so caled Islamic extremists really taking the Qur'an out of context when they call for a holy jihad against non-muslims?

If in this modern day and age Islam at heart IS a religion of peace then why do we not see this not only reflected in a reduction in terrorist attacks that it perpatrates against non muslims, but also against their fellow brothers & sisters too?

Well, I don't know boatloads about the Middle East, but from what I can tell, I think it has more to do with the culture of those Middle Eastern countries than with Islam itself.
 
Well, I don't know boatloads about the Middle East, but from what I can tell, I think it has more to do with the culture of those Middle Eastern countries than with Islam itself.

This.

Affairs of ME doesn't really have that much of a impact to the same level on Asian and African Muslims ... or White Muslims for that matter.
 
Actually no. The God of Mohammed was not the Judeo-Christian God Yahweh, but the ancient hybrid Assyrio-Babylonian Moon god called Sin. In pagan pre-Islamic Mecca at the Kaa'ba the chief diety (along with 360 other pagan dieties) Sin was known as Hubal (who is mentioned also in the Qur'an). As each Arabian town had their own local chief god at their very own pagan Kaa'bas (there were more than just one Kaa'ba), these gods were known simply to the locals in these towns as Al-ilah (the god). All Mohammed did when creating his monotheistic religion based on all other pre-existing religions was tear down all the other pagan gods worshipped at the Kaa'ba (yet strangly he kept the black meteotite in place still to worship) and re-named Hubal (aka Sin) with the shortened name of Allah (god) from shortening the older local name for local chief dieties of Al-ilah (the god). Thus the chain from the moon god Sin/Hubal/Ali-ilah/Allah becomes complete.

As much as Mohammed wanted Allah to be seen as the same god as the Jews & the Christians, the truth when one looks back into Mohammeds own times is that Allah is not the same as Yahweh. And this is further clear when one looks at the religion that Allah instructed Mohammed to form, & the character of the prophet that Allah chose for this new religion.

Oh man here we go with this again.

It's funny that some claim that Muslims worship a moon god when the Quran directly refutes this: Quran, 41:37 Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Adore not the sun and the moon, but adore God, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.

"Allah" is also nothing more than the standard word for "god" in Arabic.

Early peoples including Arabs, worshiped many God's in ancient times including the "Moon God" who was the supreme deity over 360 more God's. Just like the Greeks, Romans and everyone else.
 
If you disagree with me about Islam being a false religion, then you are no Christian.
Nice try.

I am certain Jesus approves of your sitting in judgment of who and who is not a Christian. I mean considering he is the only one that can judge that as only he knows our hearts, right?
 
Oh man here we go with this again.

It's funny that some claim that Muslims worship a moon god when the Quran directly refutes this: Quran, 41:37 Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Adore not the sun and the moon, but adore God, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.

"Allah" is also nothing more than the standard word for "god" in Arabic.

Early peoples including Arabs, worshiped many God's in ancient times including the "Moon God" who was the supreme deity over 360 more God's. Just like the Greeks, Romans and everyone else.


Hmmnnn......OK, so if that was the case why did Mohammed not also tear down the black meteorite too & stop all the earlier pagan pre-Islamic rituals such as the seven required circumnavigations of the Kaa'ba, the casting of stones to repel demons, the kissing of the black stone etc, etc, which were all practiced by pagan Arabians before Mohammed? If we are to accept that this is indeed true and that Mohammed wanted truly to abolish all moon worship at the Kaa'ba then why were these pagan rituals and clear idolatory still allowed in Mohammeds time & still practiced even today that were clearly influenced by Hubal (aka Sin) the moon god?
 
I am certain Jesus approves of your sitting in judgment of who and who is not a Christian. I mean considering he is the only one that can judge that as only he knows our hearts, right?

Read my reply to MR Invisible in relation to this statement of Julietsm's which is correct if you are a true Christian.
 
Read my reply to MR Invisible in relation to this statement of Julietsm's which is correct if you are a true Christian.

It is absolutely not correct if you are a Christian. And considering you have been in this forum not even what a week? I my friend have little to prove as far as me being a Christian goes. :lol:

True Christianity is not about religion, it is about a personal relationship with Christ. Sitting around and judging who is and is not a Christian is a dead end for spiritual salvation.

Edit: Those who follow Islam will be judged by the same God. It will be for him to decide who is worthy, not us.
 
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Hmmnnn......OK, so if that was the case why did Mohammed not also tear down the black meteorite too & stop all the earlier pagan pre-Islamic rituals such as the seven required circumnavigations of the Kaa'ba, the casting of stones to repel demons, the kissing of the black stone etc, etc, which were all practiced by pagan Arabians before Mohammed? If we are to accept that this is indeed true and that Mohammed wanted truly to abolish all moon worship at the Kaa'ba then why were these pagan rituals and clear idolatory still allowed in Mohammeds time & still practiced even today that were clearly influenced by Hubal (aka Sin) the moon god?

You mean like Christians who celebrate pagan holidays etc? Give me a break. Most religions have some roots in paganism for one reason or another. I mean really man, the roots of religion are pagan, period.
 
It is absolutely not correct if you are a Christian. And considering you have been in this forum not even what a week? I my friend have little to prove as far as me being a Christian goes. :lol:

True Christianity is not about religion, it is about a personal relationship with Christ. Sitting around and judging who is and is not a Christian is a dead end for spiritual salvation.

Edit: Those who follow Islam will be judged by the same God. It will be for him to decide who is worthy, not us.


So as a Christian you deny it when Jesus said "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you know me, you will know my Father also." John 14:6-7 & say that he is wrong here? This statement seems pretty straight forward & not hard to grasp at all. Unless you are a follower of Christ then there will be no access to the father. There is no mention by Jesus anywhere in the bible that any non believers in him will gain access into heaven. So how do you square this contradiction if you chose to deny what Christ explicetely tells us here?

BTW: In what way does my being new to the forum have anything to do with this discussion? I too have little to prove as a Christian, yet denying clearly what Jesus tells us from the New Testament is clearly something that no Christian should do in relation to their faith? After all, if that were the case we could just cherry pick the parts we liked & dismiss the parts we don't in the Bible. Is that what Jesus tells us to do? Just obey the parts you like & ignore the others you don't? We have to remember that Jesus also tells us in Matthew 7:13-14; "Go in through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is spacious that leads to destruction, and many people are entering by it. How narrow is the gate and how constricted is the road that leads to life, and few are the people who find it!" We have to remember that this statement also includes people too who preached & cast demons out in his name too (i.e. some fellow Christians too).

So it is clear just from these very two statements by Jesus that no one gets into heaven unless you believe in him first, and that includes some who also call themselves Christians too. This really is Christianity 101 here.
 
So as a Christian you deny it when Jesus said "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you know me, you will know my Father also." John 14:6-7 & say that he is wrong here? This statement seems pretty straight forward & not hard to grasp at all. Unless you are a follower of Christ then there will be no access to the father. There is no mention by Jesus anywhere in the bible that any non believers in him will gain access into heaven. So how do you square this contradiction if you chose to deny what Christ explicetely tells us here?

Please point out where I said any of this? :doh

BTW: In what way does my being new to the forum have anything to do with this discussion? I too have little to prove as a Christian, yet denying clearly what Jesus tells us from the New Testament is clearly something that no Christian should do in relation to their faith? After all, if that were the case we could just cherry pick the parts we liked & dismiss the parts we don't in the Bible. Is that what Jesus tells us to do? Just obey the parts you like & ignore the others you don't? We have to remember that Jesus also tells us in Matthew 7:13-14; "Go in through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is spacious that leads to destruction, and many people are entering by it. How narrow is the gate and how constricted is the road that leads to life, and few are the people who find it!" We have to remember that this statement also includes people too who preached & cast demons out in his name too (i.e. some fellow Christians too).

Your time has much to do with what you said to me. You are going to assume that because of 1 ro 2 posts I am not a Christian by reading things into what I said I did not.

Then you continue with some nonsense about you have nothing to prove when I never questioned you being a Christian etc.

You assume far to much while knowing very little about those you respond to.

So it is clear just from these very two statements by Jesus that no one gets into heaven unless you believe in him first, and that includes some who also call themselves Christians too. This really is Christianity 101 here.

Again this has nothing to do with anything I said. I also suggest you go into the "Religion and Philosophy" forum and do a little checking before you make wildly inaccurate assumptions.

Edit here let me help you...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...reacher-left-heh-pulpit-7.html#post1059149401
http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...reacher-left-heh-pulpit-2.html#post1059148183
 
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You mean like Christians who celebrate pagan holidays etc? Give me a break. Most religions have some roots in paganism for one reason or another. I mean really man, the roots of religion are pagan, period.

Jesus never instigated easter, nor did he demand that we celebrate his birthday. These things were added into Christianity in the centuries after Christs death by later Popes & councils etc. Yet here we have Mohammed beggining his brand new monotheistic religion straight from the words of Allah (via the angel Gabriel). So don't you think that one of the very first things that God would instruct Mohammed to do would be to ban and get rid of ALL earlier pagan worship & any leftover pagan idols from before this time? If you read the Bible Yahweh tells the Israelites clearly to destroy all idols & asherah poles etc, when entering their new land (which they fail to do).

As an atheist or an agnostic you may wish to debate that all religions are pagan in origin. Yet from a theistic point of view the very fact that the prophet that starts this new religion of Islam does not demand that the earlier pagan rituals & idols that were worshipped BEFORE Islam began should have been removed & stopped at the Kaa'ba, yet instead allows them to continue unchecked I think speaks clearer than anything that Mohammed wanted & encouraged these pagan practises to continue.
 
Please point out where I said any of this? :doh



Your time has much to do with what you said to me. You are going to assume that because of 1 ro 2 posts I am not a Christian by reading things into what I said I did not.

Then you continue with some nonsense about you have nothing to prove when I never questioned you being a Christian etc.

You assume far to much while knowing very little about those you respond to.



Again this has nothing to do with anything I said. I also suggest you go into the "Religion and Philosophy" forum and do a little checking before you make wildly inaccurate assumptions.

Edit here let me help you...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...reacher-left-heh-pulpit-7.html#post1059149401
http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...reacher-left-heh-pulpit-2.html#post1059148183

Reply in the next post to this one. Sorry for the earlier erro.
 
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Jesus never instigated easter, nor did he demand that we celebrate his birthday. These things were added into Christianity in the centuries after Christs death by later Popes & councils etc. Yet here we have Mohammed beggining his brand new monotheistic religion straight from the words of Allah (via the angel Gabriel). So don't you think that one of the very first things that God would instruct Mohammed to do would be to ban and get rid of ALL earlier pagan worship & any leftover pagan idols from before this time? If you read the Bible Yahweh tells the Israelites clearly to destroy all idols & asherah poles etc, when entering their new land (which they fail to do).

None of this changes the fact that...

Some Old Testament rights and dare I say writings are based on much older pagan ideals and rituals. Jesus himself preformed a similar ritual in the bread and wine to body and blood.

If you like I can post literally thousands of sources that will show the exact links from pagan to Christian ritualism. I think you already know this though.

As an atheist or an agnostic you may wish to debate that all religions are pagan in origin. Yet from a theistic point of view the very fact that the prophet that starts this new religion of Islam does not demand that the earlier pagan rituals & idols that were worshipped BEFORE Islam began should have been removed & stopped at the Kaa'ba, yet instead allows them to continue unchecked I think speaks clearer than anything that Mohammed wanted & encouraged these pagan practises to continue.

I suppose that highlighted part was meant for someone else as well? :roll:

I am done with you.

Have a good one and God bless.
 
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None of this changes the fact that...

Some Old Testament rights and dare I say writings are based on much older pagan ideals and rituals. Jesus himself preformed a similar ritual in the bread and wine to body and blood.

If you like I can post literally thousands of sources that will show the exact links from pagan to Christian ritualism. I think you already know this though.



I suppose that highlighted part was meant for someone else as well? :roll:

I am done with you.

Have a good one and God bless.

Lol! If that is the case, and you call yourself a Christian, how in fact can you do so when all the evidence according to you points to the fact that it is all pagan in origin? Personally I would stick to calling oneself an agnostic above anything else here! Lol!

God bless you too :)
 
So as a Christian you deny it when Jesus said "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you know me, you will know my Father also." John 14:6-7 & say that he is wrong here? This statement seems pretty straight forward & not hard to grasp at all. Unless you are a follower of Christ then there will be no access to the father. There is no mention by Jesus anywhere in the bible that any non believers in him will gain access into heaven. So how do you square this contradiction if you chose to deny what Christ explicetely tells us here?

BTW: In what way does my being new to the forum have anything to do with this discussion? I too have little to prove as a Christian, yet denying clearly what Jesus tells us from the New Testament is clearly something that no Christian should do in relation to their faith? After all, if that were the case we could just cherry pick the parts we liked & dismiss the parts we don't in the Bible. Is that what Jesus tells us to do? Just obey the parts you like & ignore the others you don't? We have to remember that Jesus also tells us in Matthew 7:13-14; "Go in through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is spacious that leads to destruction, and many people are entering by it. How narrow is the gate and how constricted is the road that leads to life, and few are the people who find it!" We have to remember that this statement also includes people too who preached & cast demons out in his name too (i.e. some fellow Christians too).

So it is clear just from these very two statements by Jesus that no one gets into heaven unless you believe in him first, and that includes some who also call themselves Christians too. This really is Christianity 101 here.

The subject if the thread is the dangers of Muslim inbreeding, not Christian history.

Let's try again.

Minister warns of ‘inbred’ Muslims - Times Online

Asian community 'in denial' over inbreeding - MP - Yorkshire Post
 
The subject if the thread is the dangers of Muslim inbreeding, not Christian history.

Let's try again.

Minister warns of ‘inbred’ Muslims - Times Online

Asian community 'in denial' over inbreeding - MP - Yorkshire Post

LOL! I think the thread is intact still even with this slight diversion into Christianity! :)

AH! An article from The Yorkshire Post! Used to go there in my line of work. Now, let's see what they say?..........

OH! Thanks for getting us back on track again!
 
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I didn't know that. It is funny how the two religions many think oppose one another are quite close. If anything I'd say the likelihood is higher than Jews and Muslim worship the same God rather than Christians with either Jews or Muslims. It is a shame Judaism doesn't do missionary work

I agree that Judiasm and Islam are quite close... I also agree on the worship of Jesus as a God and the Christian trinity. That is why those rabbis said Islam is perfect monotheism.. We are on the same page.. :2razz:
 
Jesus never instigated easter, nor did he demand that we celebrate his birthday. These things were added into Christianity in the centuries after Christs death by later Popes & councils etc. Yet here we have Mohammed beggining his brand new monotheistic religion straight from the words of Allah (via the angel Gabriel). So don't you think that one of the very first things that God would instruct Mohammed to do would be to ban and get rid of ALL earlier pagan worship & any leftover pagan idols from before this time? If you read the Bible Yahweh tells the Israelites clearly to destroy all idols & asherah poles etc, when entering their new land (which they fail to do).

Then why didn't Jesus or his prophets instruct the first Christians to abandon all of their pagan traditions? They didn't.. and the pagans refused to get circumcised and to circumcise their children when they born non pagan, and the 12 disciples said, OK... even though it was a pagan tradition to not do so. But in Islam that is a tradition and many of the same dietary laws as the Jews, but Christmas and other pagan origin holidays are not part of Islam.. :thinking
 
I am glad for both you & your boyfriend, & whilst this may be true to a certain degree in the west how do we overlook the fact that the closer one gets to a full Islamic society, with the majority of a countries populace being muslims, how do we account that this tolerance in the most generally disappears & Jews, Christians etc, are not so well recieved? If Islam is tolerant of other religions how is it that a large proportion of Islamic states forbid the building of any churches, synagogs or other places of worship? Are these so caled Islamic extremists really taking the Qur'an out of context when they call for a holy jihad against non-muslims?

If in this modern day and age Islam at heart IS a religion of peace then why do we not see this not only reflected in a reduction in terrorist attacks that it perpatrates against non muslims, but also against their fellow brothers & sisters too?

I actually don't follow the middle east and what they do and don't do about building churches. I would guess that Qatar, Oman, Tunisia, and Kuwait are open to other religions because they are relatively stable and peaceful eastern nations. Jordan, because the queen converted to Islam.. and was Christian. Israel is tolerate to Christians and Jews, obviously. Egypt.. well, they receive so much foreign aid from America, I am sure they are friendly to Americans and other religions. It seems like a decent country to me with nice people, and my Christian friend lived there for a while.

Egyptian government restores historic synagogue - CNN

Christian missionaries are welcome in Kuwait
The Lighthouse Church Kuwait

.. and Tunisia
Find a Church - Tunisia

Why put all the weight and expectations on Islam? What about the Christians and other people not being friendly and tolerant towards Islam?
 
And it is this mind set that will eventually hurt Christianity. Pull the board out of your own eye.



Catholics are Christians as well, and Muslims worship the same God of the Old Testament we do. You are to caught up in mans law and not Gods wants for us.

And Jesus wept.

Catholics are much closer to the truth, but it's the idolotry of Mary and the priesthood that bothers me... (Jesus said that HE is our High Priest) I don't hate Catholics.

I don't hate Muslims either, but I do hate Islam. It appeals to the most base instincts of men, which I guess is why it appeals to them.
But you're wrong - Muslims do not worship the same God. It began as the cult of a moon god chosen from the Babylonian pantheon.
And I don't give a flying fig if you all hate me, I don't hate you.

I just hate Islam, which causes more death and destruction than any other 'religion' ever.
 
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Easy folks. Getting a bit heated.
 
Catholics are much closer to the truth, but it's the idolotry of Mary and the priesthood that bothers me... (Jesus said that HE is our High Priest) I don't hate Catholics.

I don't hate Muslims either, but I do hate Islam. It appeals to the most base instincts of men, which I guess is why it appeals to them.
But you're wrong - Muslims do not worship the same God. It began as the cult of a moon god chosen from the Babylonian pantheon.
And I don't give a flying fig if you all hate me, I don't hate you.

I just hate Islam, which causes more death and destruction than any other 'religion' ever.

I am quite curious where all your information is coming from. I highly suggest you take some class or study up on religion, it would do you a lot of good.
 
Catholics are much closer to the truth, but it's the idolotry of Mary and the priesthood that bothers me... (Jesus said that HE is our High Priest) I don't hate Catholics.

Who said you hate Catholics? I said they are Christians as well.

I don't hate Muslims either, but I do hate Islam. It appeals to the most base instincts of men, which I guess is why it appeals to them.
But you're wrong - Muslims do not worship the same God. It began as the cult of a moon god chosen from the Babylonian pantheon.
And I don't give a flying fig if you all hate me, I don't hate you.

OK, already went over the "moon cult" thng. :doh Not going to repeat it because people don't read.

I don't know where in the name of all that's right this whole "hate" thing is coming from?
Who the heck said anything about hating you??? I said take the board out of your eye.

I just hate Islam, which causes more death and destruction than any other 'religion' ever.

OK, you have a good one.

As for Muslim inbreeding? I honestly think the Royal family has more inbreeding problems than the majority of Muslims.

The article is trash based on speculation and junk science. It is more an attack on the immigrant Pakistani than Muslims.

Racist garbage is what it amounts to.
 
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I agree that Judiasm and Islam are quite close... I also agree on the worship of Jesus as a God and the Christian trinity. That is why those rabbis said Islam is perfect monotheism.. We are on the same page.. :2razz:

The same page?
You're tripping!
Cite your source.
 
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