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    Re: Massive Muslim inbreeding over 1,400 years may have ruined gene pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Knighty2001 View Post
    Jesus never expected us not to defend ourselves or warn of any imminent dangers or threats. Whilst love, compassion, tolerance & respect are crucial to Jesus’ word, he also knew that there would be times when we as Christians would need to defend ourselves too as he says explicitly in Luke 22:36 of the persecution that would come to the apostles after his death; “Then he said to them, "But now the one who has a wallet must take it along, and his travelling bag, too. And the one who has no sword must sell his coat and buy one.”
    And later that same night...

    Matthew 26:52 Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.'

    Defending yourself from physical violence is not what she is doing. Her battle is one of words and bad attitude about Muslims, Catholics and anything or anyone that does not tow her line.

    Even though Christ wants us to defend ourselves, we are still to lead by example and love our neighbors as we do ourselves.

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    A survey from 4 years ago conducted in Britain show the attitudes of British Muslims; over 30% of them would like to live under shari’a law rather than the British legal system; 62% think that free speech should not be allowed; 22% of Muslims think that the July 2005 bombings in London where 52 civilians were killed & 700 more were injured was a justified act of terrorism.

    As the population of Muslims in Britain is now 2.5 million & growing (roughly 4% of the population of 61 Million of the United Kingdom) this means that 1.55 Million of them think that free speech should not be allowed; 550,000 think that the London killings were justified & 750,000 Muslims would want shari’a law instead of British law put in place.

    Putting that into context into actual sizes per cities here it means that a city full of Muslims slightly larger than Britain’s 2nd largest city (Birmingham) think free speech should not be allowed at all; also that Britain’s third largest city (Leeds) would just not hold the amount of Muslims who think that shari’a law should be practiced in the UK over British law; and finally that Britain’s 5th largest city (Sheffield) would again just be too small to hold the amount of Muslims who think that terrorism & killing is justified in the name of Islam.

    So, do you think that we should just turn the other cheek and let this threat grow unchecked? Or, like Jesus instructed his apostles after his death to do, to get some swords so that they could defend themselves against any enemies? Personally I would go with Jesus here and get a few swords ready, ‘cos if this trend continues then at some point they are going to come in damn handy!

    BTW: here’s the link for that survey if you want to peruse it at all.

    Attitudes to Living in Britain
    4% of the population is not a threat. The only reason Islam appears to be growing so fast is high birth rates among Muslims. Factor in the conversion of young adult Muslims and the picture is not as bleak as you think it is.

    Muslims and spacifically young Muslims are converting to Christianity etc at a much higher rate than Islam is gaining converts all over the world.

    For example 6,000,000 African Muslims convert to secularism or Christianity. In India even the Hindu's as well as Muslims are loosing many to Christianity.

    Who did that survey? It is not really a good source. I don't think it is accurate and involves more untruth and bigotry than fact.
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    Re: Massive Muslim inbreeding over 1,400 years may have ruined gene pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post

    4% of the population is not a threat. The only reason Islam appears to be growing so fast is high birth rates among Muslims. Factor in the conversion of young adult Muslims and the picture is not as bleak as you think it is.
    Really? You don't think that half a million people thinking that acts of terrorism are OK to be committed in the British Isles is a threat? With the current Muslim population greater than Northern Ireland's population is now & the proportion of terrorism that we got from that smaller group of people was quite substantial don't you think?



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Who did that survey? It is not really a good source. I don't think it is accurate and involves more untruth and bigotry than fact.
    This was a survey commissioned for Channel4 TV station over here, and used a reputable organisation. So how can conducting a survey and asking Muslims themselves any of these questions be now considered untruths & bigotry? Do you consider it now bigotory to ask someone if they think that acts of terrorism are justified or not?

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    Re: Massive Muslim inbreeding over 1,400 years may have ruined gene pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Knighty2001 View Post
    Really? You don't think that half a million people thinking that acts of terrorism are OK to be committed in the British Isles is a threat? With the current Muslim population greater than Northern Ireland's population is now & the proportion of terrorism that we got from that smaller group of people was quite substantial don't you think?
    No. It is being greatly exaggerated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knighty2001 View Post
    This was a survey commissioned for Channel4 TV station over here, and used a reputable organisation. So how can conducting a survey and asking Muslims themselves any of these questions be now considered untruths & bigotry? Do you consider it now bigotory to ask someone if they think that acts of terrorism are justified or not?
    No references to who was commissioned and what questions were asked. I apologies but I have seen way to much crap on the Internet to accept it a face value. If you can list sources and not a video on a web blog it would help.

    No. I consider it bigotry to condemn followers of Islam as terrorist etc by acts of the minority.
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    Re: Massive Muslim inbreeding over 1,400 years may have ruined gene pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Muslims and spacifically young Muslims are converting to Christianity etc at a much higher rate than Islam is gaining converts all over the world.
    The List: The World's Fastest-Growing Religions | Foreign Policy

    According to the World Christian Database, Islam has a growth percentage of 1.84% while Christianity has a 1.38% growth percent.

    Although in Africa, there are = many Christian converts daily, especially in Nigeria and South Africa.

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    Re: Massive Muslim inbreeding over 1,400 years may have ruined gene pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    The List: The World's Fastest-Growing Religions | Foreign Policy

    According to the World Christian Database, Islam has a growth percentage of 1.84% while Christianity has a 1.38% growth percent.

    Although in Africa, there are = many Christian converts daily, especially in Nigeria and South Africa.
    They are actually loosing more than they gain as the children reach adulthood. You must also remember the growth rate is relative to the present number of adherents. For example:

    Christian conversions are around 2.5 million a year and Islam is around 8.5 hundred-thousand. So the growth rate would seem larger with a quick glance, but it's not. You have around 25.2 million total new Christians per year and around 22.5 million for Islam. This includes births. Now if you look at the total estimated total of each religion, you can see why the percentages for total growth are different.

    I used the 1990 to 2000 version of the World Christian Database for my example numbers. Now that information is old but the numbers remain relatively close except for Islam. At the time of my info Islam's growth rate was 2.13% and Christianity was at 1.36%. It is telling looking at the numbers from your data base example.
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    Re: Massive Muslim inbreeding over 1,400 years may have ruined gene pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No. It is being greatly exaggerated.



    No references to who was commissioned and what questions were asked. I apologies but I have seen way to much crap on the Internet to accept it a face value. If you can list sources and not a video on a web blog it would help.

    No. I consider it bigotry to condemn followers of Islam as terrorist etc by acts of the minority.

    The survey was done by

    Social Research


    And the 48 questions asked are shown in the presentation itself, along with them all printed lower down on the web page too. Can you not scroll through the presentation or scroll down the page to read them? Or would that be too much trouble as you really don't like any facts or figures that put Islam in a bad light do you, & you would dismiss them anyway, no matter what the source or content.

    So you think that half a million Muslims (that is 1 in 5 Muslims you will meet in the UK) thinking that acts of terrorism are justified to be committed in Britain for whatever reason is not a problem & just a minority? Wow! What figures do you plan to go on before in your appeasing mind it does become a problem? 3 or 4 Million Muslims thinking like this?

    And if you also really do think that asking Muslims any of the questions asked in this survey is indeed bigotory then all I can say is you are the best appeaser & apologiser for Islam I have seen for a long time since the likes of Ken Livingstone (ex Mayor of London & George Galloway). I take it you went through the Barrack Obama school for Islamic appeasement & got top honours I see! LOL!

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    Re: Massive Muslim inbreeding over 1,400 years may have ruined gene pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Knighty2001 View Post
    The survey was done by

    Social Research


    And the 48 questions asked are shown in the presentation itself, along with them all printed lower down on the web page too. Can you not scroll through the presentation or scroll down the page to read them? Or would that be too much trouble as you really don't like any facts or figures that put Islam in a bad light do you, & you would dismiss them anyway, no matter what the source or content.

    So you think that half a million Muslims (that is 1 in 5 Muslims you will meet in the UK) thinking that acts of terrorism are justified to be committed in Britain for whatever reason is not a problem & just a minority? Wow! What figures do you plan to go on before in your appeasing mind it does become a problem? 3 or 4 Million Muslims thinking like this?

    And if you also really do think that asking Muslims any of the questions asked in this survey is indeed bigotory then all I can say is you are the best appeaser & apologiser for Islam I have seen for a long time since the likes of Ken Livingstone (ex Mayor of London & George Galloway). I take it you went through the Barrack Obama school for Islamic appeasement & got top honours I see! LOL!
    OK man. I am done.

    You have a good one.
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    Re: Massive Muslim inbreeding over 1,400 years may have ruined gene pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    OK man. I am done.

    You have a good one.
    Whilst you may not appreciate the satire in the last paragraph of my earlier comment, I wonder as to really why you are done. After all you did initially post that my post was just "strawmen & ignorance", but then change it to "OK man. I am done."

    I ask you again; Is conducting a survey of Muslims in Britain by a reputable surveying organisation asking various questions of what Muslim think about living in Britain since the attacks in London in 2005, with their actual responces to these questions giving us the figures quoted. Is that now not only to be considered bigotry but ignorance now too in your eyes? Wow!

    Or were you finished because you couldn't defend in anyway that 1 in 5 British Muslims think that any acts of terrorism committed by their fellow Muslims is OK by them and a legitimate tactic to air any grievences committed in their eyes by the west?

    Just curious. BTW: you have a good one too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knighty2001 View Post
    Whilst you may not appreciate the satire in the last paragraph of my earlier comment, I wonder as to really why you are done. After all you did initially post that my post was just "strawmen & ignorance", but then change it to "OK man. I am done."
    Ad hominem attacks are not satire, and strawman arguments are not debate. So rather than continue and be sucked into that kind of stupidity, I simply let it drop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knighty2001 View Post
    I ask you again; Is conducting a survey of Muslims in Britain by a reputable surveying organisation asking various questions of what Muslim think about living in Britain since the attacks in London in 2005, with their actual responces to these questions giving us the figures quoted. Is that now not only to be considered bigotry but ignorance now too in your eyes? Wow!
    No. I consider it bigotry to condemn followers of Islam as terrorist etc by acts of the minority.

    I suppose you missed that comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knighty2001 View Post
    Or were you finished because you couldn't defend in anyway that 1 in 5 British Muslims think that any acts of terrorism committed by their fellow Muslims is OK by them and a legitimate tactic to air any grievences committed in their eyes by the west?
    I explained why above. And I looked at the questions in PDF form at the surveys site...

    British Muslims emphatically reject the proposition that Muslims
    should keep themselves separate from non-Muslims (94%)

    The vast majority (82%) feet that they belong to Britain even if a
    few more (92%) feet that they belong to Islam


    But lets continue...

    Question: It is acceptable for religious or political groups to use violence.

    73% said it is not acceptable.

    I can understand why young British Muslims might want to carry out suiceide operations.

    70% did say they could understand why. This does not mean they think it is acceptable and shown by the question above.

    I have no idea how you came to the 1 in 5 think it's OK.

    Here is the link directly to the PDF...

    http://www.gfk.com/imperia/md/conten...nefindings.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by Knighty2001 View Post
    Just curious. BTW: you have a good one too.
    Hope this answers your questions.
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    Re: Massive Muslim inbreeding over 1,400 years may have ruined gene pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post

    I have no idea how you came to the 1 in 5 think it's OK.

    .
    Look at page 32 where the question “To what extent do you agree that the July bombings were justified because of British support for the war on terror?” is posed.

    The results if you read the figures quoted back are 11% strongly agree with this statement & another 11% tend to agree with this statement, which makes overall (11+11=22) that 22% of Muslims agree that the terrorist bombings in London in July 2005 were justified. If you will note further the survey also says in the box on the right of this chart on page 32 that younger Muslims (31% of them) agree with this sentiment even more. But let’s go with the overall 22% figure here shall we as we can work out actual figures from this. Now correct me if I am wrong here, but does not 22% of anything not then equate to roughly 1 in 5 of whatever it is you are equating? I think you will find that this is the case if you care to read page 32 fully & do some simple mathematics here.

    And doing just a few more simple sums we find that 22% of the current Muslim population in Britain (2.5 Million) equals 550,000 of Muslims that think acts of terrorism are justified in the UK. Again divide 2.5 Million by roughly half a million and this gives us a figure of 1 in 5 again does it not?

    Please correct me if my sums are wrong here, or the rest of the world does mathematics in any different way to the UK here?

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