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Would they be allowed to enlist?
With DADT going the way of the DoDo I don't see why not.
Would they be allowed to enlist?
With DADT going the way of the DoDo I don't see why not.
95% of Fox News viewers in the Marines are uncomfortable with gays in the military? Who knew?
A New York Times national poll in February 2010 shows 58% of Americans favor gays serving openly, compared to 29% opposed.
I could ask 500,000 satanists if they oppose christianity and I'm sure I could get atleast 95%
Nice spin but don't ask means that and you keep saying they are asking
I think that all you civilians that are trashing the Marine Corps for not living up to your social standards should enlist and change it from the inside. Of course, you'd have to meet our standards first.
What your attitudes tell me is that you haven't a clue what your military branches even are. Flambouyent homosexuals do not enlist in the Marine Corps. Those homosexuals that do enlist fit into the mold of the alpha male well enough that they aren't noticed. It is very common place to look down upon gays and to veiw such activity as less than manly. We want our Marine Corps to be strong and prepared to be violent and merciless. These are not traits the gay communities develop. And since we are the brute force and meticulous weapon of the military, limp wristed gays simply don't fit. Telling a Marine that he must undress in front of and simply accept what his society has been training him to think of as shameful will introduce problems most of you are clueless about. First you must understand the Marine Corps.
But before the lot of you try to fool yourselves and pretend that you are socially superior to any Marine (or soldier), let's not forget that these warriors are products of the American idea of what a man is. With Hollywood producing gays as the butt of the joke since the 80s, ridiculed on television in our favorite comedies, and cast into the shadow of shame for centuries in virtually every single culture on earth, U.S. Marines are social products of your world and society. Demanding men, who are trained to follow and give orders, to fight the fight for gay rights when even Californians refuse to give them marriage rights is cowardly.
Accepting homosexual activity as just another version of being a man is a mind set that will not come easy. I won't even go into the technical issues of accepting open gays into an organization like the Marine Corps because I don't believe most of you have a clue anyway. This is what happens when you run from military service and **** on those that don't for not meeting your social needs to feel better about yourselves.
Gays in the military is an inevitable event. Unfortunately, even after the military is forced to accept this new prescription, civilians across the nation will continue to deny them their rights to marry and wear an NFL jersey....both of which are fraught with less technical difficulties than incorporation into the Marine Corps.
So...
...Where do you stand on this issue exactly?^
Is this the way other service members around here feel? If so, nuff said.
YEAR Coast Guard Marines Navy Army Air Force Total
1994 0 36 258 136 187 617
1995 15 69 269 184 235 772
1996 12 60 315 199 284 870
1997 10 78 413 197 309 1,007
1998 14 77 345 312 415 1,163
1999 12 97 314 271 352 1,046
2000 19 114 358 573 177 1,241
2001 14 115 314 638 217 1,273
2002 29 109 218 429 121 906
2003 - - - - - 787
2004 15 59 177 325 92 668
2005 16 75 177 386 88 742
2006 - - - - - 623
2007 - - - - - 627
2008 - - - - - 619
2009 - - - - - 428
Total 156 889 3,158 3,650 2,477 13,389
I believe it is inevitable. I, along with the vast majority of military leadership, believe DADT has been an absolute burden (the numbers prove this). I believe that the troop forces, especially the Marine Corps, will see little repercussion from this because gays will not be eager to single themselves out. I believe that accepting open homosexuality into the military will be largely an obvioous Air Force and Navy scene. However, I also believe that there will be issues of unit cohesion within the Army and Marine Corps because of the close proximity cultures, especially the Corps.
But the most pathetic thing about this is that the loudest voices for gay rights will go no where near militay service and will leave it up to those who do serve to bear their burdens.
Here, Here.........The truth is its no skin off their ass...........I would lovve to see DD do a tour of duty in the Navy,,,,spend 90 days at sea at a time..
Here, Here.........The truth is its no skin off their ass...........I would lovve to see DD do a tour of duty in the Navy,,,,spend 90 days at sea at a time..
"Don't Ask" means that a person cannot be officially asked about their sexuality and/or ordered/harassed to answer such a question. A fellow servicemember is even allowed to ask if another is gay (I did), and not get into trouble for it. Just like the asked servicemember can answer if they want or they can choose not to answer. And asking such a question would automatically make the answer "unofficial". However, if the questions are less specific and/or answers to general questions more specific coming from a gay servicemember, then they can get reported for "telling" they are gay if the wrong person heard them (although, most likely this would not start an investigation by itself).
The biggest issues actually deal more with them not being able to post things on their webpages that state their sexuality or that they cannot "marry", even in an unrecognized by our government ceremony, someone they actually want to marry like heterosexuals can, without fear of discharge.
Poor gays so deprived lets all cry a bucketful
Aren't the marines known as the "bullet catchers" of the military?
It affects the people who are discharged, and everyone they've fought with. Air Force kicked out a guy who won 9 air medals. What do you think the men whose lives he saved think about that?
Aren't the marines known as the "bullet catchers" of the military?
It affects the people who are discharged, and everyone they've fought with. Air Force kicked out a guy who won 9 air medals. What do you think the men whose lives he saved think about that?
Aren't the marines known as the "bullet catchers" of the military?
Poor homophobes, so sad that they won't be able to ban those pesky homosexuals from talking about the same exact things and doing the same things with their loved ones that heterosexuals do while in the military for much longer. Maybe some of those crybabies and complainers that are scared of the gays will get out of the military and leave it to the real soldiers and Marines, sailors and airmen who can get past someone's personal life and just do their damn job.
I would venture a guess that most of them thought that he should have kept his preference to stick his dick in another man's butt private. You see, even gays have to abide by military law without assuming that they can pick and choose which ones they agree with.
DADT - Blame Washington.
Just for the record, the Air Medal ain't ****.
I knew a guy that 12 Army Achievement medals, which is purdy much the same thing as an air medal. Come to find out, he put himself in for most of them and his battalion commander blindly signed off on all of the orders.
Only to ignorant civilians who don't know the difference between a soldier and a Marine and only to soldiers who try to legitimize their decision to join a Junior Varsity unit. The Marine Corps is known among the branches (the intelligent leadership side) for innovation and advanced techniques that specialize in all combat scenarios. This is something no other branch can do.
By the way, you ever even been in the military to have earned the right to make such derogatory and highly ignorant statements? Or are you just sympathetic towards homosexuals that can't even get married in a civilian court of law?
I blame Washington and general homophobia. You see, a straight soldier wouldn't have to keep his preference for sticking his dick in a woman private. HENCE THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION. Nobody is arguing whether or not DADT is a law or whether these discharges were done correctly under that law.
He brought his plane into serious anti-aircraft fire to help some guys on the ground during the opening stages of the Iraq invasion. He was a decorated pilot, and we spent millions of dollars training him. And we kicked him out because he likes dudes.
Apparently the one thing the Marine Corps can't train into you is a sense of humor.