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95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

The results of the pentagon study are already known. The men/women of the military by an overwhelming percentage say that they have no problem with gays serving openly in the military.

Put that claim to the test.



Let's have the vote today.

On the proviso that SOLDIERS are the ones voting, not pigging politicians with out-of-kilter PC dogma. (And even then, if the bill goes through, that gay and non-gay divisions are created to serve everyone, as with the smoking places until recently.)



Face it.....people with the mentality that you embrace are slowly dying out. Its a new world.

Depends if you frequent the political bubbles of your masters or get out there amongst everyday people with varying everyday thoughts.

Take your condescension elsewhere. The very fact your kind always feel the need to trumpet how inferior the 'heretics' are only proves there are more of us than they would like.
 
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On the proviso that SOLDIERS are the ones voting, not pigging politicians with out-of-kilter PC dogma. (And even then, if the bill goes through, that gay and non-gay divisions are created to serve everyone, as with the smoking places until recently.)

Absolutely. And only active duty soldiers, not retired veterans who are no longer fighting.
 
Why? They should not be asked. A persons sexuality should not be brought up. The problem is gays think we care if they are gay.Don't tell, another words shut up and no one will care. That is not lying that is not talking

Their fellow soldiers/marines/sailors ask, maybe not directly, but it's not like everyone just talks about what their job is going to be like that day. Most servicemembers talk to each other about friends, families, and relationships. It is natural, especially when people are spending months at a time together.

Common conversations would include if someone is dating anyone special or talking about how good a girl/guy looks. If a guy is gay and another servicemember asks him if he is dating anyone, he could honestly answer yes without violating DADT. However, if he is asked a more specific question about a girl he might be dating or for more details, then the gay guy would have to lie or decline to answer to avoid violating DADT, where as if the same guy was straight he could easily answer with no fear of being "discovered" and possibly kicked out, just for talking about a person they are dating. And straight guys and girls can have and show pics of themselves kissing boyfriends/girlfriends/husbands/wives, whereas, gay guys and girls can't without chancing having the wrong person see them and the possibility of being kicked out. Straight soldiers can share wedding photos with anyone, including posting them online, without any fear whatsoever of being kicked out for such things. Gay soldiers can't. Straight soldiers can invite their significant others to service balls and dance and be an open couple. The significant other could honestly answer questions about their relationship, if he/she wanted to. Gay soldiers would have to hide their relationship they might have with a "friend" they took to a service ball (if they could bring the person at all). And their significant other, if able to come, would not be able to honestly answer any questions about the relationship. And by relationship questions, I am referring to even innocent questions like how long the couple has been together, where they think the relationship may go, if they want to have/raise children, if they've met each other's family, etc. These are some types of questions that my husband's Marine buddies and chain of command asked me while at a Marine Corps ball when we first started dating.
 
One unconsidered aspect in all of this is that if gays were in the army and unemcumbered, might they feel a huge sexual and social frustration anyway?

A Liberal utopia would be be for the 'rainbow' guys to talk about their botty chums without anybody caring or being disgusted. But even in that case, what about the homos boxed up in the barracks with all those butch guys every night and not being able to take any? I believe there are even strict rules on man-woman things in the services.

At least in the outside world there are magazines, club scenes and special alternate universes to thrive in. You'd have to bring all that on-site as well.
 
One unconsidered aspect in all of this is that if gays were in the army and unemcumbered, might they feel a huge sexual and social frustration anyway?

A Liberal utopia would be be for the 'rainbow' guys to talk about their botty chums without anybody caring or being disgusted. But even in that case, what about the homos boxed up in the barracks with all those butch guys every night and not being able to take any? I believe there are even strict rules on man-woman things in the services.

At least in the outside world there are magazines, club scenes and special alternate universes to thrive in. You'd have to bring all that on-site as well.

Perhaps what you fail to recognize is that unlike you (as it appears) most men, gay or straight are perfectly capable of controlling their urges and can act professionally.
 
I'm not saying they'll feel up the other guys just because they want to.

I'm talking about frustration not unfettered behaviour.

(Though when it comes to 'liberals', I'm not surprised that the two concepts are mixed up. All we ever get from them are chapter and verse on how people are bigots for not agreeing to let some flavour-of-the-month group get up to what they want to or be 'understood' for it. Usually it's to do with criminals.)
 
I'm not saying they'll feel up the other guys just because they want to.

I'm talking about frustration not unfettered behaviour.

(Though when it comes to 'liberals', I'm not surprised that the two concepts are mixed up. All we ever get from them are chapter and verse on how people are bigots for not agreeing to let some flavour-of-the-month group get up to what they want to or be 'understood' for it. Usually it's to do with criminals.)

Same Diff....you try to argue that gay men would be overly frustrated by not being able to have sex with all the men in their barracks....puhlease......so the straight men sit around frustrated all day because they can't go out and have sex?

Again....most men....straight or gay are perfectly capable of handling their urges and act professionally. They enter the military with that understanding....both gay and straight.....

Perhaps you need to figure out how to deal with your sexual frustrations.....most of us can.
 
So....Navy...let me ask you this then. Its ok for people like you to run around in the military "bragging" about boinking another man's wife while her husband is away on leave serving the country.....but a gay person can't even say "I'm gay" without violating DADT.

How does this hypocrisy further the value of our military?

I believe that is grounds for a court martial
 
Their fellow soldiers/marines/sailors ask, maybe not directly, but it's not like everyone just talks about what their job is going to be like that day. Most servicemembers talk to each other about friends, families, and relationships. It is natural, especially when people are spending months at a time together.

Common conversations would include if someone is dating anyone special or talking about how good a girl/guy looks. If a guy is gay and another servicemember asks him if he is dating anyone, he could honestly answer yes without violating DADT. However, if he is asked a more specific question about a girl he might be dating or for more details, then the gay guy would have to lie or decline to answer to avoid violating DADT, where as if the same guy was straight he could easily answer with no fear of being "discovered" and possibly kicked out, just for talking about a person they are dating. And straight guys and girls can have and show pics of themselves kissing boyfriends/girlfriends/husbands/wives, whereas, gay guys and girls can't without chancing having the wrong person see them and the possibility of being kicked out. Straight soldiers can share wedding photos with anyone, including posting them online, without any fear whatsoever of being kicked out for such things. Gay soldiers can't. Straight soldiers can invite their significant others to service balls and dance and be an open couple. The significant other could honestly answer questions about their relationship, if he/she wanted to. Gay soldiers would have to hide their relationship they might have with a "friend" they took to a service ball (if they could bring the person at all). And their significant other, if able to come, would not be able to honestly answer any questions about the relationship. And by relationship questions, I am referring to even innocent questions like how long the couple has been together, where they think the relationship may go, if they want to have/raise children, if they've met each other's family, etc. These are some types of questions that my husband's Marine buddies and chain of command asked me while at a Marine Corps ball when we first started dating.

Nice spin but don't answer and report them. You want to make something out of what ifs you can't prove happen
 
Its ok for people like you to run around in the military "bragging" about boinking another man's wife while her husband is away on leave serving the country....

It's folks from the left-side of centre who enjoy the concepts of 'open relationships' and legality of polygamy for Muslims. It's quite natural for them to want such morality-warping 'ideals' put out universally in the name of 'freedom'.
 
Nice spin but don't answer and report them. You want to make something out of what ifs you can't prove happen

Can't prove happen? That is every day life. What planet are you from?
 
It's folks from the left-side of centre who enjoy the concepts of 'open relationships' and legality of polygamy for Muslims. It's quite natural for them to want such morality-warping 'ideals' put out universally in the name of 'freedom'.

You haven't been around here very long......the person bragging about committing adultry with another soldier's wife is hardly someone who could be classified as "Left-side of centre".
 
Can't prove happen? That is every day life. What planet are you from?

Funny when I was in the military it wasn't. Matter of fact one of my friends in the military was gay but no one knew because he never talked about it.
 
Funny when I was in the military it wasn't. Matter of fact one of my friends in the military was gay but no one knew because he never talked about it.

So...while you were in the military...nobody asked you whether you were married or had a girlfriend. You never talked about women at all while you were there?

I find that extremely hard to believe.
 
So...while you were in the military...nobody asked you whether you were married or had a girlfriend. You never talked about women at all while you were there?

I find that extremely hard to believe.


Not in a serious way. I only discussed that with the closest friends i trusted. If gays say this to anyone that asked they are stupid.
 
Not in a serious way. I only discussed that with the closest friends i trusted. If gays say this to anyone that asked they are stupid.

Perhaps that is your experience...and I don't mean to doubt your experience. All I can say is that in EVERY job that I have ever worked from the time I was 16 years old until today, the first thing that people talk about when they meet you are things like "Are you married", "Do you have a girlfriend"....etc....Its common "get to know you info".
I also find it hard to believe that talking about women is not a commonplace part of military life...because again....in every job I've ever had, talking about men/women and who people think are cute/hot...etc....dominates the small talk conversation.
 
Perhaps that is your experience...and I don't mean to doubt your experience. All I can say is that in EVERY job that I have ever worked from the time I was 16 years old until today, the first thing that people talk about when they meet you are things like "Are you married", "Do you have a girlfriend"....etc....Its common "get to know you info".
I also find it hard to believe that talking about women is not a commonplace part of military life...because again....in every job I've ever had, talking about men/women and who people think are cute/hot...etc....dominates the small talk conversation.

You have no obligation to answer these nosy busybodies
 
Again....most men....straight or gay are perfectly capable of handling their urges and act professionally. They enter the military with that understanding....both gay and straight....

Well then there's no issue if every soldier's able to act professionally, without consideration of being constantly reminded of what they can't have, in a pressure-cooker environment. (With the other guys it would be for the want of 'cat', outside the barracks, which would get them restless.)

Perhaps now we can dispense with all the stuck-up liberal hoo-ha now we've come to that understanding. Or perhaps this is about the desires of liberals rather than what's best for army soldiers.



Perhaps you need to figure out how to deal with your sexual frustrations.....most of us can.

Yep, there's the liberal innuendo and hyperbole, right on cue. I'm not so sure I'm the one who's frustrated. It's probably all those years of teaching kids how to attach contraceptive devices to vegetables which gives liberals such twisted one-track minds.
 
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