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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Again, I didn't vote for Obama. I don't even like Obama. Obama has very little to do with this issue. If McCain were in office (who was Obama's strongest contender in the Presidential race, and whom I actually voted for), I know that this issue would be really hard to be resolved at least in this term. However, Obama being in office doesn't make it a done deal. Congress has to change the rule that doesn't allow gays to serve openly in the military. There is very little chance that Obama would veto a bill repealing DADT and the code that keeps gays from serving openly. McCain, oth, might have.
    So you give Obama a pass when he is fighting gays and ignore the lies he told gays when campaigning.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you give Obama a pass when he is fighting gays and ignore the lies he told gays when campaigning.

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    I don't care what Obama says. Just like I don't care what any other politician says. I am smart enough to realize that politicians lie. He should have went ahead and overturned the policy or at least went with the court and halted discharges. He didn't, so screw him. I don't count on Obama to do a whole lot to improve this country. I don't think he likes homosexuals at all. I do believe, though, that he is a politician whose main constituents want this, so if he doesn't eventually do it, then he won't have the support he needs to win the next election.

    Don't worry. I won't be voting for him next time either, no matter how these gay rights issues turn out.

    What I do care about is what politicians do. The ball is in Congress's court right now. Anything Obama does concerning DADT should be taken into context of what he has been doing so far and how Congress deals with this issue. In fact, the best thing that the Republicans could do, would be to completely support repealing DADT to allow gays to serve openly before Obama gets a chance to repeal it with executive powers. Then, the nation could actually believe that Republicans did want what's best for the military and Obama would get less credit for doing this, if much credit at all. Afterall, many gay rights supporters now consider Obama to be, at the very least, delaying efforts to allow gays to serve openly.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well I don't know. I posted as an individual Marine. I do not lead the team of service members around here. This thread is about the Marine Corps, not the general service member. This situation is going to affect all four differently because of the specialized natures and missions. Unit cohesion in the Marine Corps has a great deal more importance attached to it than in the Air Force. The close living conditions of Marines and Sailors are not mimicked in the Army. Etc. So when people produce Pentagon numbers that do not reflect the branches broken down, the numbers are a bit deceitful.

    DADT is also an issue largely misunderstood by civilians. As the numbers show, the DADT has been a burden. It was a way for non-gays to get out of obligation....

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    YEAR    Coast Guard   Marines   Navy   Army      Air Force       Total
     
    1994          0          36      258    136        187            617
    1995         15          69      269    184        235            772
    1996         12          60      315    199        284            870
    1997         10          78      413    197        309           1,007
    1998         14          77      345    312        415           1,163
    1999         12          97      314    271        352           1,046
    2000         19         114      358    573        177           1,241
    2001         14         115      314    638        217           1,273
    2002         29         109      218    429        121            906
    2003          -          -        -      -          -             787
    2004         15          59      177    325        92             668
    2005         16          75      177    386        88             742
    2006          -          -        -      -          -             623
    2007          -          -        -      -          -             627
    2008          -          -        -      -          -             619
    2009          -          -        -      -          -             428
     
    Total        156       889     3,158    3,650      2,477         13,389
    Notice how the numbers rose when the order to get rid of "gays" came down? Notice how these numbers escallated all the way to 9/11? And do we notice how quickly it became unacceptable to simply proclaim homosexuality to get out of war deployment? This is no coincidence. The military has largely been ignoring DADT because it's BS. This is why the Air Force quickly jumped on that federal judge's band wagon and ended DADT as their policy. This is why the Pentagon came out and suspended DADT for all branches shortly after. We are fed up with it. But wasn't it the White House that came out later and insisted that DADT remain the policy until they decide? It's the same old story. Good credit will always be stolen by politicians and bad credit will always be hoisted towards the military. Politicians drive us into war via their failure and then insist that the military bring them victory while following their irresponsible politically based rules. Of course, any military imperfection (under Republican and Democrat meddling) becomes an excuse for civilians to declare total failure, but when that victory comes its all about what great diplomats the fat asses in Washington were. And here we are with DADT being an issue that the military was all about ending, but are not allowed because Washington politicians want their credit for getting rid of it in the end.

    It's Washington that forces the issue and non-serving gays that insist that serving gays bear their social burdens. Most of the military is just fed up with the whole affair. But like I stated, loong after gays have "rights" in the military, they will still be denied marriage in the same civilian courts that insist that they have the right to die for their coutnry, but not allowed to be happy in it. Add Hollywood, TV, the NFL, and any other organization of civilian manhood and gays are hardly achieving equality. People want the military to be the last bastion of anti-gay hold outs, but forcing an organization of professionals to obey orders is far easier than asking a bunch of civilians to live up to their bitching and do the right thing. Good luck forcing the civilian world to obey orders so that gays can feel better about themselves.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    I believe allowing open gays in the military will add to their demands and make them even more arrogant. It will bring hate speech into the military and gays hitting on straight people. This will open Pandora's box to all kinds of new problems

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I believe allowing open gays in the military will add to their demands and make them even more arrogant. It will bring hate speech into the military and gays hitting on straight people. This will open Pandora's box to all kinds of new problems
    The issue is their civil rights, not the homophobic fantasies of the unenlightened.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The issue is their civil rights, not the homophobic fantasies of the unenlightened.
    when you sign that enlistment contract you are signing away many of your civil rights. Serving in the military shouldn't be about soldier's civil rights, it should be about what is best for the military and the country.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    My Way News - Pentagon study dismisses risk of openly gay troops

    Nov 30, 1:16 PM (ET)

    By ANNE FLAHERTY

    WASHINGTON (AP) - A Pentagon study on gays in the military has determined that overturning the law known as "don't ask, don't tell" might cause some disruption at first but would not create any widespread or long-lasting problems.

    The study was expected to provide some much-needed ammunition to congressional Democrats struggling to overturn the law. But despite supporters' hopes to force a vote during the lame-duck legislative session, it remains unclear whether the findings would be enough to sway skeptical Republicans, led by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    WASHINGTON (AP) - A Pentagon study on gays in the military has determined that overturning the law known as "don't ask, don't tell" might cause some disruption at first but would not create any widespread or long-lasting problems.

    That's the way I see it. Don't ask, don't tell is BS anyway. most of the time if there is a gay dude/girl in the unit someone, if not everyone, is going to know/find out and most people really don't give a ****. I have been in the military since 1984 and I can count on one hand the number of times someone's being gay has caused any disruption/problems at all.

    That said, I still disagree with the "it's about their civil rights" arguement. Serving in the military isn't about civil rights, it's about the good of the country. Gays serving openly will not harm that in any measureable way.

    The only idiots who will be bothered by openly gay people serving are the same retards who still call blacks "nigger" behind closed doors and treat women like sex dolls. Those are the dip****s that should be prevented from serving.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I believe allowing open gays in the military will add to their demands and make them even more arrogant. It will bring hate speech into the military and gays hitting on straight people. This will open Pandora's box to all kinds of new problems
    Um, you are concerned about gays hitting on straights? I think your bigotry is showing.

    Seems to me the military has a much bigger problem with straights hitting on straights. Following this logic, prehaps we should flush out all women (or all men) from the military or at least extend "Don't ask, don't tell" to all sexuality. If anyone shows themselves as sexual, they get washed out....

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I believe allowing open gays in the military will add to their demands and make them even more arrogant. It will bring hate speech into the military and gays hitting on straight people. This will open Pandora's box to all kinds of new problems
    When I think of gays, I always think of arrogance....
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