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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

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    Since we have an all volunteer military why is this even an issue, let the military decide! Interesting that this thread has gone on for 25 pages which just goes to show that with all the problems we have in this country far too many focus on this non issue in the overall scope of things. Gays are certainly passionate about this issue but just a reminder, gays are in a small minority in this country yet seem to scream loudly.
    Yes, people who have certain liberties denied to them do tend to be vocal about it, don't they?
    In case you hadn't noticed, an overwhelming majority of Americans support allowing gays to serve openly. You're the one in the minority, dude.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

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    Since we have an all volunteer military why is this even an issue, let the military decide! Interesting that this thread has gone on for 25 pages which just goes to show that with all the problems we have in this country far too many focus on this non issue in the overall scope of things. Gays are certainly passionate about this issue but just a reminder, gays are in a small minority in this country yet seem to scream loudly.
    It's a civil rights issue, should we let the military decide if blacks, Jews, etc. can join? The issue should be whether they can adequately perform their job. Equal protection under the law!!!


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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

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    Yet Obama is against repealing DADT. It appears Obama lied to gays when he was campaigning. You need Obama more than he needs you. If Obama is against it who will support gays?
    I don't think he lied. I think he wants credit. No Federal Judge and no Pentagon will steal it from him.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I blame Washington and general homophobia. You see, a straight soldier wouldn't have to keep his preference for sticking his dick in a woman private. HENCE THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION. Nobody is arguing whether or not DADT is a law or whether these discharges were done correctly under that law.
    Well, unfortunately, if the gay is supposed to be an equal to heterossexuals, then he also must obey all the laws. Until President Obama and his fellow civilians allows the Pentagon and a Federal Judge to get rid of DADT, his "rights" have nothing to do with it.

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    Apparently the one thing the Marine Corps can't train into you is a sense of humor.

    I also love this attitude where if you aren't a Marine, you aren't allowed to talk about them or have an opinion on what they do.
    You have it wrong. You can be a soldier or an airman and make jokes about the Marine Corps. You've earned the right to "joke." Civilians make their jokes without even understanding what the branches are. It's malicious and what she meant was to attack in the name of gay pride. It's simple, go through the hardship and then make you jokes.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It's a civil rights issue, should we let the military decide if blacks, Jews, etc. can join? The issue should be whether they can adequately perform their job. Equal protection under the law!!!
    The law is "Don't...Ask....Don't....Tell." According to Washington, this was their protection. The military has done nothing wrong by following the law. However, gays have disobeyed the law. Non-gays have used the law to escape obligations. It has been the MArine Corps and the Army that has largely ignored DADT since 9/11. It was the Pentagon that set it aside a couplemonths ago. And it was the White House that stated DADT is the law of the land until they decide.

    Figure out what's going on before you use the military as the scapegoat for gay rights. It's the military that will be professional enough to enforce toleration while civilians across the nation have the choice to continue to treat them as unequal.

    By the way, the law also states that gays will not marry across the nation. Again...not a military decision.....a civilain one. Hollywood and TV makes gays out to be jokes. Again...not a military decision....a civilian one. You see, a gay joke in the military will result in NJP (Non-Judicial Punishment) and the ruin of careers. A joke against gays on TV will earn a writer an emmy. Perhaps civilains should be forced to do what is right too. I guess it's just easier to force a professional military to obey and put it through the technical difficulties than to expect the civilian sector to do what is right with little technical difficulties.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, people who have certain liberties denied to them do tend to be vocal about it, don't they?
    In case you hadn't noticed, an overwhelming majority of Americans support allowing gays to serve openly. You're the one in the minority, dude.
    What liberties are being denied a gay person? You seem to confuse sexual orientation with civil rights. What you do in your bedroom is your choice just like what I do in mine. This entire issue is a minority trying to thrust their will on the majority and in this case this is the ALL VOLUNTEER military thus the leadership's responsibility to decide.

    Seems that the majority in this country don't support gay marriage either but that doesn't seem to matter to this minority. The people have spoken regarding gay marriage so what do the gays do, go to the courts to overturn the will of the majority. Now it is on to the military. When you can show me that sexual orientation is in the Constitution then you will have an issue, until then keep your sexuality in the bedroom and let our military leaders make that decision. Being in the military isn't a majority rule entity.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It's a civil rights issue, should we let the military decide if blacks, Jews, etc. can join? The issue should be whether they can adequately perform their job. Equal protection under the law!!!
    So let's see you now have added sexual orientation to the civil rights list? Gays have equal protection, they can marry the same as I can, a person of the opposite sex. I hope you keep bringing this issue up and keep making a big deal of it. That is going to really piss a lot of people off and it won't take long for a Constitutional Amendment defining homosexual activity.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, people who have certain liberties denied to them do tend to be vocal about it, don't they?
    In case you hadn't noticed, an overwhelming majority of Americans support allowing gays to serve openly. You're the one in the minority, dude.
    It is the president that is fighting it

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

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    I don't think he lied. I think he wants credit. No Federal Judge and no Pentagon will steal it from him.
    He campaigned as gay friendly and now fights and has done nothing he told gays he would do. That is a lie

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    He campaigned as gay friendly and now fights and has done nothing he told gays he would do. That is a lie
    Within a few months DADT will be gone. The only difference is that Obama will pretend that he is supposed to receive the credit vice the hated military and a single judge that tried to end the policy two months ago.

    And best believe he will use "his glory" on the campaign trail in 2012, proving that it was merely a political tool. Like when Democrats preach about black nationalism and minority rights for votes.
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