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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Soldiers should be manly and strong, not feminized and sensitive. Even the straight men in our armies today are not as manly as the 300 Spartans that destroyed the Persians. Hell, let's also force soldiers in Britain to "act homosexual." Oh wait, that's already happening. Hm... what else can we pervert?

    Didn't the Spartans practice pederastry?

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Didn't the Spartans practice pederastry?
    I don't know. If you can show definitively that they did and that those 300 participated in such then I'd reconsider. Can you?

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't know. If you can show definitively that they did and that those 300 participated in such then I'd reconsider. Can you?

    Homosexuality in ancient Greece - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Didn't the Spartans practice pederastry?
    Sparta's constitution strictly prohibited pederasty. Far from it being institutionalized, as many modern historians claim: contemporary accounts, the evidence of archaeology, and modern psychology all strongly support those ancient historians who vehemently denied pederasty in Sparta.

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    No myth about Sparta is as persistent and controversial as the insistence that pederasty and homosexuality dominated Spartan society. Even highly reputable historians such as Paul Cartledge subscribe to this theory. However, the evidence against it is, in my opinion, compelling.

    Xenophon, the only historian with first-hand experience of the agoge (his sons attended it!), states explicitly: " [Lycurgus] laid down that in Sparta lovers should refrain from molesting boys, just as much as parents avoid having intercourse with their children or brothers with their sisters." It is hard to find a more definitive statement than this, and from the most credible source. To dismiss this evidence simply because it does not suit preconceived ideas is arrogant.

    Xenophon adds: "It does not surprise me, however, that some people do not believe this, since in many cities the laws do not oppose lusting after boys." This is the crux of the matter. All of our written sources on Sparta come from these other cities, where pederasty was rampant. In short, the bulk of the written record on Sparta stems from men who could not imagine a world without it.

    --snip--

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    If you look up Xenophon further (not his Polity on the Spartan constitution) you'll find he discusses this further. However you may need to access academic historical websites.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    But what if a gay soldier is married in say like Massachusetts?
    Would they be allowed to enlist?

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

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    Would they be allowed to enlist?

    With DADT going the way of the DoDo I don't see why not.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    With DADT going the way of the DoDo I don't see why not.
    What about now? Obama is fighting to keep it

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    95% of Fox News viewers in the Marines are uncomfortable with gays in the military? Who knew?

    A New York Times national poll in February 2010 shows 58% of Americans favor gays serving openly, compared to 29% opposed.

    I could ask 500,000 satanists if they oppose christianity and I'm sure I could get atleast 95%


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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    I think that all you civilians that are trashing the Marine Corps for not living up to your social standards should enlist and change it from the inside. Of course, you'd have to meet our standards first.

    What your attitudes tell me is that you haven't a clue what your military branches even are. Flambouyent homosexuals do not enlist in the Marine Corps. Those homosexuals that do enlist fit into the mold of the alpha male well enough that they aren't noticed. It is very common place to look down upon gays and to veiw such activity as less than manly. We want our Marine Corps to be strong and prepared to be violent and merciless. These are not traits the gay communities develop. And since we are the brute force and meticulous weapon of the military, limp wristed gays simply don't fit. Telling a Marine that he must undress in front of and simply accept what his society has been training him to think of as shameful will introduce problems most of you are clueless about. First you must understand the Marine Corps.

    But before the lot of you try to fool yourselves and pretend that you are socially superior to any Marine (or soldier), let's not forget that these warriors are products of the American idea of what a man is. With Hollywood producing gays as the butt of the joke since the 80s, ridiculed on television in our favorite comedies, and cast into the shadow of shame for centuries in virtually every single culture on earth, U.S. Marines are social products of your world and society. Demanding men, who are trained to follow and give orders, to fight the fight for gay rights when even Californians refuse to give them marriage rights is cowardly.

    Accepting homosexual activity as just another version of being a man is a mind set that will not come easy. I won't even go into the technical issues of accepting open gays into an organization like the Marine Corps because I don't believe most of you have a clue anyway. This is what happens when you run from military service and **** on those that don't for not meeting your social needs to feel better about yourselves.

    Gays in the military is an inevitable event. Unfortunately, even after the military is forced to accept this new prescription, civilians across the nation will continue to deny them their rights to marry and wear an NFL jersey....both of which are fraught with less technical difficulties than incorporation into the Marine Corps.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    So...

    ...Where do you stand on this issue exactly?^

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