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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    It's probably all those years of teaching kids how to attach contraceptive devices to vegetables which gives liberals such twisted one-track minds.
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    Perhaps now we can dispense with all the stuck-up liberal hoo-ha now we've come to that understanding. [I]Or perhaps this is about the desires of liberals rather than what's best for army soldiers.
    If you can prove that allowing gays to serve openly has had a detrimental effect on an armies effectiveness, then you might have a point.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

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    Nice spin but don't answer and report them. You want to make something out of what ifs you can't prove happen
    Why report them? These are perfectly natural questions, and they are not questions that are not allowed. In fact, I think the EO officer would be a little confused if you reported someone for asking you how long you have been with the person you are currently dating or married to. These are not inappropriate questions, especially for people who live are living and working together. You don't have to answer them, but most people would feel uncomfortable not answering them. And the fact that gays don't have a choice to be able to answer them and share that with others is the issue.

    And that still doesn't cover the other parts of what I put. Why should straight guys/girls be allowed to share pics of private wedding ceremonies with no fear at all of being discharged, while such pics could get gay guys/girls discharged? You don't see the double standard here? Heck, the straight couple could even have been butt naked during the ceremony, and they still would be able to share such pics (although, I'm pretty sure they would have to make sure nothing was actually showing in pics they post online or take to work). The Navy wife who officiated over my wedding told me about another wedding she officiated about a month prior where she had to wear a bathing suit because the couple got married in a hot tub. Even pics of that wedding could be shared with people without getting into trouble. Yet a gay servicemember who shares pics of even just a commitment ceremony could get discharged, even if the ceremony is completely formal. This is wrong.

    Every gay person in the military should have exactly the same rights that I have as a military member, to be able to share happy moments with fellow servicemembers, such as starting a new relationship or making a commitment to their loved one, without fearing a discharge because the wrong person overheard a conversation or saw pics of the occasion. They should be able to display pics of their significant other and dance with them at service balls. They should be able to post news and pics online about their personal life and/or relationships without fearing discharge. They're not asking for special privileges. They are asking for the same privileges that straight sailors/soldiers/marines now have, to share their feelings about a person they are in a relationship with without having to get kicked out for it.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You have no obligation to answer these nosy busybodies
    It's not about having to answer such questions. It is about being able to answer such questions if you want to without having to check to see who might be listening.

    And it is about not having two sets of standards for answers to the same questions.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    Wow, this is shocking, so much for LGBT rights in the military. Despite this, I still believe they should repeal the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, what are your thoughts on this?
    Our thoughts?

    Some homophobe jarhead went on Fox News and talked out of his ass.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why report them? These are perfectly natural questions, and they are not questions that are not allowed. In fact, I think the EO officer would be a little confused if you reported someone for asking you how long you have been with the person you are currently dating or married to. These are not inappropriate questions, especially for people who live are living and working together. You don't have to answer them, but most people would feel uncomfortable not answering them. And the fact that gays don't have a choice to be able to answer them and share that with others is the issue.

    And that still doesn't cover the other parts of what I put. Why should straight guys/girls be allowed to share pics of private wedding ceremonies with no fear at all of being discharged, while such pics could get gay guys/girls discharged? You don't see the double standard here? Heck, the straight couple could even have been butt naked during the ceremony, and they still would be able to share such pics (although, I'm pretty sure they would have to make sure nothing was actually showing in pics they post online or take to work). The Navy wife who officiated over my wedding told me about another wedding she officiated about a month prior where she had to wear a bathing suit because the couple got married in a hot tub. Even pics of that wedding could be shared with people without getting into trouble. Yet a gay servicemember who shares pics of even just a commitment ceremony could get discharged, even if the ceremony is completely formal. This is wrong.

    Every gay person in the military should have exactly the same rights that I have as a military member, to be able to share happy moments with fellow servicemembers, such as starting a new relationship or making a commitment to their loved one, without fearing a discharge because the wrong person overheard a conversation or saw pics of the occasion. They should be able to display pics of their significant other and dance with them at service balls. They should be able to post news and pics online about their personal life and/or relationships without fearing discharge. They're not asking for special privileges. They are asking for the same privileges that straight sailors/soldiers/marines now have, to share their feelings about a person they are in a relationship with without having to get kicked out for it.
    Don't ask. That is the rule. You are trying to justify something that goes aginst military policy

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It's not about having to answer such questions. It is about being able to answer such questions if you want to without having to check to see who might be listening.

    And it is about not having two sets of standards for answers to the same questions.

    I don't answer personal question to just anyone. If gays do their problems are their own fault

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I don't answer personal question to just anyone. If gays do their problems are their own fault
    You are still not getting it. You can choose to answer or not without risk. Gays have no such choice.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I don't answer personal question to just anyone. If gays do their problems are their own fault
    So if someone asks you in a friendly manner "Are you married" or "Do you have a girlfriend".....you say "I'm sorry but I don't answer personal questions".

    Pul-lease. These are standard questions that are commonly asked when people meet.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    If you can prove that allowing gays to serve openly has had a detrimental effect on an armies effectiveness, then you might have a point
    It's certainly an issue amongst soldiers, hence the topicality. Either that, or it's lefties making the usual cack-handed attempts to fix what ain't broke, hence the topicality.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    It's certainly an issue amongst soldiers, hence the topicality. Either that, or it's lefties making the usual cack-handed attempts to fix what ain't broke, hence the topicality.
    Why do you constantly have to label everyone who supports gays serving openly as "lefties"?

    Speaking for myself, I am an individual. I am far from left on many issues. Homosexuals and bisexuals being treated equal to heterosexuals just happens to be one of those issues that I strongly support, because it is what is most fair. And that equal, fair treatment is exactly what we are talking about here.

    Also, there are plenty of servicemembers who have actually served with openly gay sailors/soldiers/marines who could tell those who are against it that they have nothing to fear if they would just get over their fears of what might happen.
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