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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Sados (I'm assuming you're talking about sado-masochists) already can serve openly. So can nudists. Both of these groups can tell their fellow servicemembers about both their sexual activities and/or how they spend their off-time completely naked, and have no fear of discharge due to what they are doing in their off-time as long as they are not hurting anyone else and doing their activities within the law. And they should allow transgendered persons to serve. Cross-dressers can serve, btw, they must wear the clothes of their biological sex on duty, on base, or at military functions, but the military cannot discharge a person for just being a crossdresser, especially if they are not bringing it to anyone's attention that they are in the military. And, there are actually more guys than you would believe, I'd bet, that underdress while in uniform.

    So you really should find a better argument.
    I also want to make sure that transgender people have the right to serve in whatever unit they so choose regardless of what sex they were born. I want special all gay units to protect gays from discrimination if they so choose. I want programs instituted to ensure that tolerance of these alternate lifestyles is top priority. If training is too hard and a nudist needs to shed their clothes or complete basic training in the nude, I want this done, I want their rights supported. If a sado wants to do 5000 pushups more because they enjoy the punishment, I want our DI's to ensure that this happens to protect their rights. Our military is broken, it has been for many years and it is time we take drastic measures to make everyone feel good, because that is the job of the military. I want daily hugs given in basic training too. I want all straights to give our gay soldiers a hug everyday in support as well as our other alternate lifestyle folk so they feel accepted. If a soldier wants to complete basic in full drag, by all means, let's do it in support of this oppressed minority. It will only strengthen our broken military. We have a lot of work to do! Let's make a mandatory national drag day in all branches in support especially at the pentagon. We can, yes we can, yes we can!
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    I also want to make sure that transgender people have the right to serve in whatever unit they so choose regardless of what sex they were born. I want special all gay units to protect gays from discrimination if they so choose. I want programs instituted to ensure that tolerance of these alternate lifestyles is top priority. If training is too hard and a nudist needs to shed their clothes or complete basic training in the nude, I want this done, I want their rights supported. If a sado wants to do 5000 pushups more because they enjoy the punishment, I want our DI's to ensure that this happens to protect their rights. Our military is broken, it has been for many years and it is time we take drastic measures to make everyone feel good, because that is the job of the military. I want daily hugs given in basic training too. I want all straights to give our gay soldiers a hug everyday in support as well as our other alternate lifestyle folk so they feel accepted. If a soldier wants to complete basic in full drag, by all means, let's do it in support of this oppressed minority. It will only strengthen our broken military. We have a lot of work to do! Let's make a mandatory national drag day in all branches in support especially at the pentagon. We can, yes we can, yes we can!
    Still not a good argument. Gays are already serving in every branch and unit in the military. They have already shown that they can do the job.

    And there are plenty of people who have argued to allow women to serve in combat units. If a woman, who becomes a man, could prove that "he" is able to do the job (especially since "he" would now not have any of the issues of distracting the other men, nor biological issues of being a woman), then let him.

    Everyone still has to follow the rules and regulations of the military. Most of those are there for good reasons. Wearing a uniform most certainly has good reasons.

    If someone wants to try to do 5000 pushups, have at it. That is a personal choice. A DI would never, for instance, be forced to make homosexuals hit on other guys or even look at other guys in the unit.

    Equal treatment and tolerance in the military should not override the safety of the member and/or good order and discipline of the military. There are reasons that many of those that you mentioned would certainly be detrimental to that good order or discipline or to the safety of a member.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    I also want to make sure that transgender people have the right to serve in whatever unit they so choose regardless of what sex they were born. I want special all gay units to protect gays from discrimination if they so choose. I want programs instituted to ensure that tolerance of these alternate lifestyles is top priority. If training is too hard and a nudist needs to shed their clothes or complete basic training in the nude, I want this done, I want their rights supported. If a sado wants to do 5000 pushups more because they enjoy the punishment, I want our DI's to ensure that this happens to protect their rights. Our military is broken, it has been for many years and it is time we take drastic measures to make everyone feel good, because that is the job of the military. I want daily hugs given in basic training too. I want all straights to give our gay soldiers a hug everyday in support as well as our other alternate lifestyle folk so they feel accepted. If a soldier wants to complete basic in full drag, by all means, let's do it in support of this oppressed minority. It will only strengthen our broken military. We have a lot of work to do! Let's make a mandatory national drag day in all branches in support especially at the pentagon. We can, yes we can, yes we can!
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Bottom line is the military should not be used for social experimentation be it with women or gays...That is not what it was established for...It is there to protect this country and fight our wars...no other reason.....Liberals and gays get off their backs and let them do their job......
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Bottom line is the military should not be used for social experimentation be it with women or gays...That is not what it was established for...It is there to protect this country and fight our wars...no other reason.....Liberals and gays get off their backs and let them do their job......
    It's not an experiment Navy. Almost every one lives with, works with, spends time in close proximity to gay people now. We are entirely and completely past the "social experiment" part.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    We are entirely and completely past the "social experiment" part.
    Just you tell our public service masters, going overboard as ever they do. In England, navy sailors are forced to roleplay as homosexuals, as I linked-to on the first page or so. And recently, firemen in the north of England were SUSPENDED and DISCIPLINED for refusing to take part in a 'voluntary' pride march. There are even 'pink' flags flown from police stations and special detachments of soldiers sent to headline the parades of preening weirdos.

    When our bosses, as Navy says, stop being so obsessed as to hinder normal operations then perhaps attitudes against Liberal meddlers will soften.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    NB: I'm sure this belated reply is for this topic, in regards to strange boys being allowed to attend school in skirts whilst other kids are threatened with punishment for daring to question it. (Or even point and laugh.)

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    And ideas of gender roles are nowhere NEAR static across different cultures.
    At the bottom line they share certain fundamentals, such as the age old roles of male hunter-gatherer and female mother and homemaker. In modern societies the lines have become less distinct and things have moved around, but nature has ensured even tribes and societies mutually exclusive shared these basic instincts.



    Does it matter?
    As I say, certainly if the kid has some undiagnosed something. If that undiagnosed something manifests itself in strange ways then it would be parental negligence not to have it checked out before going any further.




    I have my own value system, I just dont impose it on those around me.
    Unlike the school, which wants to do that very thing with the schoolkids who'd quite naturally raise their eyebrows at the very least.

    More gender reassigning, just because 'liberals' hate normality: Schools told to encourage boys to play netball and dance to 'balance gender' | Mail Online




    Define for me what normal is.
    Women are feminine and clothes have developed to match - right through the ages. That's pretty much normal.



    The 'sexual revolution', based on that theory that nothing is real, is in pure pure action: Teacher Debbie Lloyd-Jones who 'showered with girl pupils' banned for 4 years | Mail Online

    Also, 'what is normal' can lead to this: Revolving door justice: 3 in 4 offenders return to life of crime after punishment | Mail Online






    ...this is the last time I'm going to repeat that.
    Good. Perverts can prey on the vulnerable. End of.




    ...differences of opinion.
    Mine aren't obviously respected very much. I take it liberal-friendly opinions are tolerated more than others.







    ....in 50 years we went from beating blacks in the streets to a black president, I'd say there's cause to be optimistic.

    Interestingly, he's half-white. but good old Obammers will beat himself up over that race crime until he dies. Indeed, I hear he's been off to India, putting foreign workers above those of his own. 'Too white' I guess.

    See, he's got the modern 21st Century credentials required (including being a cranky racist communist and having an unrepentent illegal immigrant aunt):





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    From Dreams of My Father: “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”


    From Dreams of My Father: “I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”



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    Even the half-pale Sun King himself calls people 'enemies' for not being left wing berks: YouTube - Boehner Calls Out Obama for Describing Political Opponents as "Enemies"



    Obama? I'd not hold him in too high esteem! Try the likes of Martin Luther King Jr, at least on teh face of it a more convincing role model for equal rights!
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    Just you tell our public service masters, going overboard as ever they do. In England, navy sailors are forced to roleplay as homosexuals, as I linked-to on the first page or so. And recently, firemen in the north of England were SUSPENDED and DISCIPLINED for refusing to take part in a 'voluntary' pride march. There are even 'pink' flags flown from police stations and special detachments of soldiers sent to headline the parades of preening weirdos.

    When our bosses, as Navy says, stop being so obsessed as to hinder normal operations then perhaps attitudes against Liberal meddlers will soften.
    That... disgusts me. Then again it's progressive England, so it doesn't surprise me.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Then again it's progressive England, so it doesn't surprise me.
    Well, you know how it is. You need to be 'tolerant' of all views and opinions, except those of the strange and peculiar ordinary people!

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You are lying. As a veteran even back in 91 I can tell you we did no such thing.
    yeah; i've seen several fairly obvious cases go carefully ignored by the chain of command.

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