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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

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    I just wanted to point out how much bull it is for you to blame all gays who get discharged under DADT when many of them never told, they were outed, and often by people not even associated with the military.



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    The findings of the federal judge who reviewed the policy and found it unconstitutional. In her ruling she explained that the policy doesn’t help military readiness and instead has a “direct and deleterious effect” on the armed services by hurting recruitment efforts during wartime and requiring the discharge of service members who have critical skills and training. It is pretty self evident that when you are kicking out hundreds of Arab language specialists under this policy when there is a great demand for them, that it is going to have a deterious effect on our ability to collect intelligence and communicate with Iraqi forces. Now you are entitled to your, "everyone can be replaced" view but when "replaced" means someone else has to end up serving again and again, you are ignoring the fact that morale is going to suffer because the job still needs to be done.



    Dude, you are the only person I see on this forum who is left arguing in support of this policy. Even NP said he does not care as long as the troops don't care. At a certain point, you just have to admit you are supporting a bad policy and let it go. If you can't do that, then maybe you ought to take a good long look at yourself and see if maybe this isn't about military policy or what is best for the nation but how you feel about gay people in general.
    At some point, those personel admitted to being gay. Unless you can provide a link, proving that anyone, who was discharged under DADT said, "But, I'm not gay. I was falsely accused", or, "Hey, I never admitted to anytying, therefore I can't be discharged", then you have no argument.

    maybe you ought to take a good long look at yourself and see if maybe this isn't about military policy or what is best for the nation but how you feel about gay people in general.
    So, after saying on umpteen threads, that I suggest lifting the ban on gays, but leaving the DADT policy in place, so as to provide protection for gays and straights alike form discrimination, you still want to label me a homophobe?

    Ya'll have thrown that stupid assed argument out there so much, it doesn't even mean anything. Obviously, anyone who isn't in lockstep with the Libbo-genda is a racist, sexist, homophobe, or bigot.

    It's the ultimate in dumb assery to put gay--and straight--soldiers in a position, where their commander can ask them about their sexual preferrence, thereby opening them up to discrimination. What kind of ****ing idiot would sit back and allow that environment to breed?
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The law is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell." The military goes out of its way to root out gays even when they are not telling.


    You are lying. As a veteran even back in 91 I can tell you we did no such thing.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You are lying. As a veteran even back in 91 I can tell you we did no such thing.
    Yeah, but you and I were actually in the service. What the hell do we know?

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, but you and I were actually in the service. What the hell do we know?

    What about the guys who HAVE been discharged for actions taken nowhere near a military base?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    What about Obama?

    Obama Lawyers Back Military Gay Ban at Supreme Court - Bloomberg

    The Obama administration said the U.S. Supreme Court should let the military continue to bar openly gay people under the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, arguing that a change in the law should come from Congress, not the courts.

    Acting U.S. Solicitor General Neal Katyal, the administration’s top courtroom lawyer, today urged the justices not to reinstate a federal judge’s order that had temporarily suspended the law.

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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    I'm in so late.
    But whenever this subject comes up I REALLY can't believe that soldiers - especially marines - are WHINING.

    "GRRR - Hooah! I'm rugged and tough! I can kill anyone with my bare hands! I hiked 100 miles through rain, sleet and snow - barefoot with a 100lb sack on my back! Hooah hooah hooah!"

    Oh but *eeeew!* "You're gay, icky icky icky!"
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'm in so late.
    But whenever this subject comes up I REALLY can't believe that soldiers - especially marines - are WHINING.

    "GRRR - Hooah! I'm rugged and tough! I can kill anyone with my bare hands! I hiked 100 miles through rain, sleet and snow - barefoot with a 100lb sack on my back! Hooah hooah hooah!"

    Oh but *eeeew!* "You're gay, icky icky icky!"





    but the real fact of the matter is its the morals (civillians) having this war, we, marines, soldiers, Airmen, and seamen.... especially the seamen, really don't care where another sticks his junk...... If you don't make your service about your genitalia, no one gives a ****.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    I want nudists, transgender, sado's to have the same opportunity to serve along with gays. Let's be clear, all of these people can be open and still serve their country with the same pride and conviction that straights already have the luxury of enjoying. It's going to take a lot of work, sensitivity training, sissy training, but we can all join forces to acheive this landmark effort to embrace all lifestyles in the spirit of tolerance. I urge congress to have our top brass at the Pentagon live with nudists, gays, transgender and sado's so they can understand the plight and challenges of these people, brave Americans that only want the same rights as everyone else. Let's all join together and make the military great again!
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    I want nudists, transgender, sado's to have the same opportunity to serve along with gays. Let's be clear, all of these people can be open and still serve their country with the same pride and conviction that straights already have the luxury of enjoying. It's going to take a lot of work, sensitivity training, sissy training, but we can all join forces to acheive this landmark effort to embrace all lifestyles in the spirit of tolerance. I urge congress to have our top brass at the Pentagon live with nudists, gays, transgender and sado's so they can understand the plight and challenges of these people, brave Americans that only want the same rights as everyone else. Let's all join together and make the military great again!
    Sados (I'm assuming you're talking about sado-masochists) already can serve openly. So can nudists. Both of these groups can tell their fellow servicemembers about both their sexual activities and/or how they spend their off-time completely naked, and have no fear of discharge due to what they are doing in their off-time as long as they are not hurting anyone else and doing their activities within the law. And they should allow transgendered persons to serve. Cross-dressers can serve, btw, they must wear the clothes of their biological sex on duty, on base, or at military functions, but the military cannot discharge a person for just being a crossdresser, especially if they are not bringing it to anyone's attention that they are in the military. And, there are actually more guys than you would believe, I'd bet, that underdress while in uniform.

    So you really should find a better argument.
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    Re: 95% of Marines uncomfortable serving with openly gay troops

    This week's Pentagon study showed widespread military acceptance, with the most resistant unit, the USMC, only 60% in favour of open gay service. The OP is mistaken at best.
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