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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And yes, snoopes does contradict him. His quotes are from different time periods, some being before Clinton's people declared the threat over.
    No one disputed that the quotes are from prior time periods. However, Clinton’s own people, when making the case for their action, indicated that Saddam has to meet his obligations under the cease fire agreement. They further indicated that Saddam would at some point restart his weapons program. As we know, Saddam was not meeting his obligations under the cease fire agreement in 2002/3 and it was alleged that his program had been restarted (and not just by the US). Hence the relevancy.

    So, they meant nothing to the 2003 and debate.
    Of course they do. History doesn't happen in a vaccuum. History didn't start on the day Bush was elected. Many things happened that brought us to that point.

    It shows a pattern of behavior by Saddam. He was really just waiting for Bush to send some rockets at him (as Clinton did) then restart his weapons program with the people that still had knowledge of the program.

    From interviews conducted by the FBI after Saddam’s capture:

    "And that was his intention?" Pelley asks.

    "Yes," Piro says.

    "What weapons of mass destruction did he intend to pursue again once he had the opportunity?" Pelley asks.

    "He wanted to pursue all of WMD. So he wanted to reconstitute his entire WMD program," says Piro.

    "Chemical, biological, even nuclear," Pelley asks.

    "Yes," Piro says.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    And you expect us to believe him?
    What are you getting at? That he lied about there being no WMDs? And I'm not being sarcastic I just don't understand what you are getting at.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    What are you getting at? That he lied about there being no WMDs? And I'm not being sarcastic I just don't understand what you are getting at.
    I was being sarcasic.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    And you expect us to believe him?
    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    I was being sarcasic.
    Ah ok, good to hear. haha

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Have any of you geniuses actually READ the Iraq war resolution?

    If you have, then PLEASE state the specified reasons for war instead of cherry-picking one.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    So, your whole argument is that the intelligence community (including those from many countries that were against the war and did not join us) didn't know as much as you, who had never seen any of the actual data used to make the decision.

    Have you ever considred that maybe you just made a guess based on your general dislike for the president and just happened to get lucky? You use the term "knew" as if you truly knew anything. Were you in the CIA at the time reviewing the information? If not, you pretty much knew nothing.
    I knew we were re-invading a country foolishly and needlessly. There have been examples of this in the past, like the one presented above. You learn from history. If you don't learn from it, you repeat it, they say. That's what we did. And look where we are.

    Somebody started this thread with information that might appear to mean we actually did find significant amounts of wmds. Woweee! But, we will spend at least a trillion dollars, and thousands of our lives, and to show for it we've found, what's your estimate, maybe a million dollars worth of useless mustard gas?

    Goddam smart investment.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    I knew we were re-invading a country foolishly and needlessly. There have been examples of this in the past, like the one presented above. You learn from history. If you don't learn from it, you repeat it, they say. That's what we did. And look where we are.

    Somebody started this thread with information that might appear to mean we actually did find significant amounts of wmds. Woweee! But, we will spend at least a trillion dollars, and thousands of our lives, and to show for it we've found, what's your estimate, maybe a million dollars worth of useless mustard gas?

    Goddam smart investment.
    Its a dumb investment if you believe THAT is the sole reason for invasion.

    Perhaps you should read up on all the reasons rather than just one.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Its a dumb investment if you believe THAT is the sole reason for invasion.

    Perhaps you should read up on all the reasons rather than just one.
    I've heard two people say this now, but they've both so far failed to actually state those reasons themselves. Instead challenging us to "read up" ourselves, which implies two things: that we haven't researched the issue at all, and two, because if we had researched we'd find its only a simple matter of finding information to realize there can only be one conclusion, a pro-war one.

    Its insulting in that it states we haven't done the research but also flies in the face of reality when it suggests that two people can't be equally knowledgeable on an issue yet still disagree. AND most importantly for our poster it allows him to imply all of this without actually doing exactly what he's demanding we do, which is research and display the information.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Its a dumb investment if you believe THAT is the sole reason for invasion.
    Perhaps you should read up on all the reasons rather than just one.
    W/o the threat of Hussein giving his WMD to terrorists, the war would not have happened.
    As GWB said in his piece up thread, WMD were the main reason.
    Also as Wolfowitz noted, when they were planning on how to sell the invasion, it was decided that the threat from the WMD was the only one of the reasons that could justify sending our military into harm's way.

    But, yes, as you have noted, other reasons were tacked on as well.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I've heard two people say this now, but they've both so far failed to actually state those reasons themselves.
    The Iraq War Resolution which EXPLICITLY states the reasons for war and was voted upon and passed by more than 2/3rds the house and senate.

    Do you know what the Iraq War Resolution is???
    Do you know what a joint resolution is?

    Here it is: READ IT.
    http://www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf


    Notice all the reasons that DON'T involve WMDs??

    * Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors.
    * Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population."
    * Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people".
    * Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the alleged 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.
    * Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations.
    * The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, and those who aided or harbored them.
    * The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism.
    * Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Instead challenging us to "read up" ourselves, which implies two things: that we haven't researched the issue at all, and two, because if we had researched we'd find its only a simple matter of finding information to realize there can only be one conclusion, a pro-war one.
    I challenge you to read because most posters have done little more than read newspaper articles and listen to pundits. I believe you fall into that category.

    I challenge you to use higher level sources.
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