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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Then you can talk to Stu Cohen and tell him he is wrong. Contrary to what the acting chairman of the NIE in 2006 stated, it was not claimed by all governments, except the one located in Baghdad, that Iraq was developing chem and bio weapons. While you're at it, you can also tell him that the NIE was not, as he claimed, highly confident that Saddam had WMDs.

    You can't, as you seem to want to do, only look at the conflicting information. You have to look at the entirety of the information. The entirety of the information, according to Stu, led most of the governments around the world to conclude that Saddam was develping WMD and other banned weapons.

    In case you haven't noticed, I really am telling you to take it up with him, because I am not too interested in the conversation anymore. When the NIE chairman states that it was believed by the NIE and most governments that Iraq was developing WMDs and you continue to claim that the NIE didn't say that, I just see little point to continuing....
    I have no problem doing that. Someoone saying something is not equal to fact. But Stu is much more careful than eiteher Bush or yourself. He limits his language, as he should. What surprise me is that you don't use the actual NIE, but instead find someone to say or claim something, and somehow think that wins the debate for you.

    And yes, you do have to look at the entire information, and that is exactly what I've asked you to. If you remove the conflicting information, the doubted information, you have the Clinton NIE. That NIE reached a different conclusion.

    And you have to look at the assessment of the CIA that Saddam was not likely to hadn off or use any wmds he had with the popssible exacption of if we invaded. So, according to them the threat was greater if we invaded than if we didn't.

    And no matter what you're interested in, the problem is not with the intel, but with how the president used it and misrepresented it. neither you nor Cohan actually address that.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And yes, you do have to look at the entire information, and that is exactly what I've asked you to. If you remove the conflicting information, the doubted information, you have the Clinton NIE. That NIE reached a different conclusion.
    Intelligence agencies don't simply remove conflicting information. The fact that you think that's what they do is a rather sorry statement.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What surprise me is that you don't use the actual NIE, but instead find someone to say or claim something, and somehow think that wins the debate for you.
    Fine. Let's take a look at the NIE, and find out how it doesn't state that it's their assessment that Iraq has active WMD programs.
    We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass
    destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and
    restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as
    well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if
    left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during
    this decade. (See INR alternative view at the end of these
    Key Judgments.)
    Iraq has largely rebuilt missile and biological weapons
    facilities damaged during
    Operation Desert Fox and has expanded its chemical and
    biological infrastructure under
    We judge that all key aspects--R&D, production, and
    weaponization--of Iraq's offensive BW program are active and
    that most elements are larger and more advanced than they
    were before the Gulf war.
    We judge Iraq has some lethal and incapacitating BW agents
    and is capable of quickly producing and weaponizing a variety
    of such agents, including anthrax, for delivery by bombs,
    missiles, aerial sprayers, and covert operatives.
    Your turn. Go ahead and claim that's not what they are really saying - I know you're going to.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Fine. Let's take a look at the NIE, and find out how it doesn't state that it's their assessment that Iraq has active WMD programs.






    Your turn. Go ahead and claim that's not what they are really saying - I know you're going to.
    Where's your link?

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Intelligence agencies don't simply remove conflicting information. The fact that you think that's what they do is a rather sorry statement.
    Never said they removed it. Again, you either have reading difficulties or you're being dishonest. I said they were in the NIE but not in the presidnet's arguments. Pay attention please.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Where's your link?
    Do a search for the 2002 Iraq WMD NIE.
    Last edited by buck; 11-26-10 at 05:01 PM.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Never said they removed it. Again, you either have reading difficulties or you're being dishonest. I said they were in the NIE but not in the presidnet's arguments. Pay attention please.
    You clearly stated that if we removed the conflicting information, we would reach the same conclusion as the Clinton NIE (which I really don't know what conclusion that reached, nor do I really care). Previously you indicated that there was conflicting information as to wether or not Iraq had WMD programs. So, what conflicting information, if not the alleged conflicting information on Iraq's WMD programs, do you think we should remove to reach a conclusion that better fits your views?

    Boo Radley posted:
    And yes, you do have to look at the entire information, and that is exactly what I've asked you to. If you remove the conflicting information, the doubted information, you have the Clinton NIE. That NIE reached a different conclusion.
    Last edited by buck; 11-26-10 at 05:13 PM.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    And? I don't think that addresses wether the NIe assessment indicated that it was beleived that Iraq had active WMD programs. Did you have anything to offer in regards to the conversation we are actually having, or do you prefer just posting random videos?

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    And? I don't think that addresses wether the NIe assessment indicated that it was beleived that Iraq had active WMD programs. Did you have anything to offer in regards to the conversation we are actually having, or do you prefer just posting random videos?
    @approximately 25 seconds in Bush admits Iraq did not have WMD. He then states Iraq had the capability. I would imagine ANY country has the "ability". He then goes into the real reason for attacking Iraq which was clearly an international war crime. Attacking Saddam/Iraq was an easy sell in the wake of 9-11. Who the hell would say no to going to war and risk appearing like a traitor or pussy for the next election cycle?

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