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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That nonsense is nothing like what happened.
    1: Its not supposed to be a parallel to what happened in Iraq- it addresses the ridiculous notion that stating what you think to be the truth as fact is a lie
    2: Your anticipated avoidance is noted.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No, its not. Guessing is different than knowing what you are saying is wrong.
    Guessing is not lying, but guessing and passing it off as fact, is in fact lying. End of story.

    When Clinton didn't believe a BJ was sex, was he lying when he said he didn't have sexual ralations with that woman? Of course he was lying.

    Kennedy lied to his wife and about the Jupiter missiles.. LBJ lied when he said he wouldn't send American boys to fight somebody else's war and the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Clinton lied about cigars and BJs. Bush Jr lied about WMDs. Reagan lied about Iran Contra. Nixon lied just about everything. Bush Sr lied when he said he would never raise taxes. Can't think what Carter lied about. I don't think Truman or Ike lied.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Guessing is not lying, but guessing and passing it off as fact, is in fact lying. End of story.
    I say again:

    Yawn.

    Me: "Hey -- is Steve across the street?"
    You: Having seen Steve just walk across the street "Yep"
    Me: "You sure"
    You: "yep"
    Me: "Great!"
    I walk across the street. Steve is not there, having just gotten into his girlfriends car. I walk back to talk to you
    Me: "Steve isn't there -- why did you lie to me?"
    You: "......... (add words here)

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I say again:

    Yawn.

    Me: "Hey -- is Steve across the street?"
    You: Having seen Steve just walk across the street "Yep"
    Me: "You sure"
    You: "yep"
    Me: "Great!"
    I walk across the street. Steve is not there, having just gotten into his girlfriends car. I walk back to talk to you
    Me: "Steve isn't there -- why did you lie to me?"
    You: "......... (add words here)
    No need to be vague...
    (all quotes valid from 1992 to 2004)
    Pres Bill Clinton- "Saddam has WMDs and is a credible threat. Thats why I repeatedly attacked him for 8 years."
    Sen Hillary Clinton- "he has them...we know he has them. He has used them. He will use them again. Thats why we have to vote to allow the president to hold him accountable."
    Sec State Madeline Albright- "We know he has them. We know he has not accounted for them. We know because we sold them to him. He is a threat. He has used them. He will use them again. Thats why we have to vote to allow the president to hold him accountable."
    Sen Tom Daschle- "He has WMDs. He has used WMDs on his people and the Iranians. He is an active threat. Thats why we have to vote to allow the president to hold him accountable."
    Clintons Def Sec William Cohen- "He has them. He has lied about them. He has blocked UN inspection teams. We have watched them hold inspection teams at front gates while trucks rolled out the back gate. Then rolled back in after he left. He has failed to comply with UN requirements. Thats why we have to vote to allow the president to hold him accountable."
    Damn near every other elected democrat- "He has them. We know he has them. He has used them in the past. He is still a threat. Thats why we have to vote to allow the president to hold him accountable."
    George Bush "He has them. There are stockpiles unaccounted for. He is a credible threat"
    Mindless liberal ideologues "George Bush lied!"

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I say again:

    Yawn.

    Me: "Hey -- is Steve across the street?"
    You: Having seen Steve just walk across the street "Yep"
    Me: "You sure"
    You: "yep"
    Me: "Great!"
    I walk across the street. Steve is not there, having just gotten into his girlfriends car. I walk back to talk to you
    Me: "Steve isn't there -- why did you lie to me?"
    You: "......... (add words here)
    That's a horrible example. Steve was across the street when I told you he was. WMDs had been destroyed a decade earlier.
    Bush did not know for a fact that Saddam had not destroyed all his WMDs. There was intel both ways. He did not state that he believed Saddam had WMDs, he stated that Saddam positively had WMDs, when the truth was he did not know for sure. He lied to everyone, even you.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No need to be vague...
    (all quotes valid from 1992 to 2004)
    Pres Bill Clinton- "Saddam has WMDs and is a credible threat. Thats why I repeatedly attacked him for 8 years."
    Sen Hillary Clinton- "he has them...we know he has them. He has used them. He will use them again. Thats why we have to vote to allow the president to hold him accountable."
    Sec State Madeline Albright- "We know he has them. We know he has not accounted for them. We know because we sold them to him. He is a threat. He has used them. He will use them again. Thats why we have to vote to allow the president to hold him accountable."
    Sen Tom Daschle- "He has WMDs. He has used WMDs on his people and the Iranians. He is an active threat. Thats why we have to vote to allow the president to hold him accountable."
    Clintons Def Sec William Cohen- "He has them. He has lied about them. He has blocked UN inspection teams. We have watched them hold inspection teams at front gates while trucks rolled out the back gate. Then rolled back in after he left. He has failed to comply with UN requirements. Thats why we have to vote to allow the president to hold him accountable."
    Damn near every other elected democrat- "He has them. We know he has them. He has used them in the past. He is still a threat. Thats why we have to vote to allow the president to hold him accountable."
    George Bush "He has them. There are stockpiles unaccounted for. He is a credible threat"
    Mindless liberal ideologues "George Bush lied!"
    Does it make you guys feel better if we say George didn't lie, he just made a stupid mistake? I guess for you it's better to be stupid than a liar.

    On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior IA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again. Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD.

    No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq. The information, moreover, was not circulated within the CIA among those agents involved in operations to prove whether Saddam had WMD.

    On April 23, 2006, CBS’s “60 Minutes” interviewed Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam’s foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD. “We continued to validate him the whole way through,” said Drumheller. “The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming, and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy, to justify the policy.”
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Does it make you guys feel better if we say George didn't lie, he just made a stupid mistake? I guess for you it's better to be stupid than a liar.

    On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior IA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again. Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD.

    No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq. The information, moreover, was not circulated within the CIA among those agents involved in operations to prove whether Saddam had WMD.

    On April 23, 2006, CBS’s “60 Minutes” interviewed Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam’s foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD. “We continued to validate him the whole way through,” said Drumheller. “The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming, and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy, to justify the policy.”
    Well...you COULD start with the actual reason..."Iraqs refusal to comply with UN resolutions regarding accountability and disposition of their WMDs."

    Oh...lets just ASSUME that Saddam just dumped all those biological spores out in the middle of the desert. Or space aliens came and wisked them away. The simple FACT remains that George Bush had access to the same intel that the democrats had and EVERYONE made the same conclusions and lets be VERY honest...the ONLY reason we KNOW what we KNOW (and that you continue to bleat on about) is BECAUSE George Bush...unlike the UN and every other world leader ACTED.

    SO...does it make me feel better that Saddam and his tribe are dead and gone? Yep. Does it make me feel better knowing there are still thousands of tons of actual weapons and biological spores that are unaccounted for? Nope. Would it have been better if the UN had ACTED instead of impotently passing one failed resolution after another? You bet. Would you and others still have found a reason to hate Bush? Yeah...Im pretty sure you would...

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Does it make you guys feel better if we say George didn't lie, he just made a stupid mistake? I guess for you it's better to be stupid than a liar.

    On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior IA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again. Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD.

    No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq. The information, moreover, was not circulated within the CIA among those agents involved in operations to prove whether Saddam had WMD.

    On April 23, 2006, CBS’s “60 Minutes” interviewed Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam’s foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD. “We continued to validate him the whole way through,” said Drumheller. “The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming, and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy, to justify the policy.”
    Or how about this as an alternative...it would make me feel just as good if you and all the other ideolgues said..."Bill Clinton, every elected democrat, and George Bush LIED!"

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Or how about this as an alternative...it would make me feel just as good if you and all the other ideolgues said..."Bill Clinton, every elected democrat, and George Bush LIED!"
    I already did.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Well...you COULD start with the actual reason..."Iraqs refusal to comply with UN resolutions regarding accountability and disposition of their WMDs."

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    Saddam feared an invasion by Iran. That is why he left a little doubt as to WMDs. The truth is they had been destroyed years ago and he had complied with UN resolutions. He could not show what didn't exist.
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