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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    And you can not show that he didn't.
    Burden of proof is on those that make the claim.
    That's you, BTW.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I see - it is OK to lie about going to war as long as that war does not cost 'too much'.
    That's supposed to make sense?

    Uh, there was no war, and the 'no war' didn't cost anything. Okey dokey?
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Or...
    Yes...but there is a big difference. Clintons (and the IN's refusal to act for 10 years and instead insistence on passing 17 impotent and unenforced UN resolutions) left the problem for someone else to deal with...

    Either EVERY elected democrat and world intel agency lied, or they didnt.

    And then of course we have several attacks by Clinton on a sovereign nation based on lies...right?

    And the justification for a declared war against Serbia was...what again?
    You guys keep bringing up Clinton for diversion.

    I don't care about Serbia. Not the issue here.


    You think it was a good idea to go to war with Iraq and justify it with Saddam's attitude toward the UN? Screw the UN. Whose people are dying? Who is paying the bill?

    If UN resolutions are good enough for you to invade a country (on an optional basis) that we essentially already controlled militarily, then you are easily satisfied. What other pissant countries would you like to attack on behalf of the UN?
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Not all Democrats (or Republicans) voted for the war. There are a couple of people here who seem to be implying that all Democrats were for the war.


    House members voting against Iraq war:

    Abercrombie
    Allen
    Baca
    Baird
    Baldacci
    Baldwin
    Barrett
    Becerra
    Blumenauer
    Bonior
    Brady (PA)
    Brown (FL)
    Brown (OH)
    Capps
    Capuano
    Cardin
    Carson (IN)
    Clay
    Clayton
    Clyburn
    Condit
    Conyers
    Costello
    Coyne
    Cummings
    Davis (CA)
    Davis (IL)
    DeFazio
    DeGette
    Delahunt
    DeLauro
    Dingell
    Doggett
    Doyle
    Duncan
    Eshoo
    Evans
    Farr
    Fattah
    Filner
    Frank
    Gonzalez
    Gutierrez
    Hastings (FL)
    Hilliard
    Hinchey
    Hinojosa
    Holt
    Honda
    Hooley
    Hostettler
    Houghton
    Inslee
    Jackson (IL)
    Jackson-Lee (TX)
    Johnson, E. B.
    Jones (OH)
    Kaptur
    Kildee
    Kilpatrick
    Kleczka
    Kucinich
    LaFalce
    Langevin
    Larsen (WA)
    Larson (CT)
    Leach
    Lee
    Levin
    Lewis (GA)
    Lipinski
    Lofgren
    Maloney (CT)
    Matsui
    McCarthy (MO)
    McCollum
    McDermott
    McGovern
    McKinney
    Meek (FL)
    Meeks (NY)
    Menendez
    Millender-McDonald
    Miller, George
    Mollohan
    Moran (VA)
    Morella
    Nadler
    Napolitano
    Neal
    Oberstar
    Obey
    Olver
    Owens
    Pallone
    Pastor
    Paul
    Payne
    Pelosi
    Price (NC)
    Rahall
    Rangel
    Reyes
    Rivers
    Rodriguez
    Roybal-Allard
    Rush
    Sabo
    Sanchez
    Sanders
    Sawyer
    Schakowsky
    Scott
    Serrano
    Slaughter
    Snyder
    Solis
    Stark
    Strickland
    Stupak
    Thompson (CA)
    Thompson (MS)
    Tierney
    Towns
    Udall (CO)
    Udall (NM)
    Velazquez
    Visclosky
    Waters
    Watson (CA)
    Watt (NC)
    Woolsey
    Wu

    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll455.xml


    Senators who voted against Iraq war:

    NAYs ---23
    Akaka (D-HI)
    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Byrd (D-WV)
    Chafee (R-RI)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Corzine (D-NJ)
    Dayton (D-MN)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Graham (D-FL)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Jeffords (I-VT)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Sarbanes (D-MD)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Wellstone (D-MN)
    Wyden (D-OR)

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    That's supposed to make sense?
    It does if you understand that history started before Jan 2001.

    Clinton went to war in Iraq over what must have been lies about WMDs.
    Apparently that's OK becaue that war didn't cost 'too much'.
    So, really, the issue isn't lying about going to war, it's either the cost of the war or, more probably, who did the lying.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Burden of proof is on those that make the claim.
    That's you, BTW.
    Nothing can be proven to be fact. I claim he lied. You claim he didn't. Right? Logic shows he did.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    You guys keep bringing up Clinton for diversion.

    I don't care about Serbia. Not the issue here.


    You think it was a good idea to go to war with Iraq and justify it with Saddam's attitude toward the UN? Screw the UN. Whose people are dying? Who is paying the bill?

    If UN resolutions are good enough for you to invade a country (on an optional basis) that we essentially already controlled militarily, then you are easily satisfied. What other pissant countries would you like to attack on behalf of the UN?
    I keep brining up Clinton to point out the hypocrisy of mindless myopic ideologues. And it works quite well.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    It does if you understand that history started before Jan 2001.

    Clinton went to war in Iraq over what must have been lies about WMDs.
    Apparently that's OK becaue that war didn't cost 'too much'.
    So, really, the issue isn't lying about going to war, it's either the cost of the war or, more probably, who did the lying.
    Clinton went to war in Iraq? What's your definition of "war"?
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Nothing can be proven to be fact. I claim he lied. You claim he didn't. Right? Logic shows he did.
    If this were true. then you could prove your claim.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Clinton went to war in Iraq?
    You dont recall the December 1998 missile and bombing campaign in retalliation for Iraq not living up to its obligations?
    Here -- read:
    Transcript President Clinton explains Iraq strike - CNN

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