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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    There's a big difference, though.

    Whatever Clinton said or did did not cost 4,400 American lives and a trillion dollars.
    Or...
    Yes...but there is a big difference. Clintons (and the IN's refusal to act for 10 years and instead insistence on passing 17 impotent and unenforced UN resolutions) left the problem for someone else to deal with...

    Either EVERY elected democrat and world intel agency lied, or they didnt.

    And then of course we have several attacks by Clinton on a sovereign nation based on lies...right?

    And the justification for a declared war against Serbia was...what again?

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Or...
    Yes...but there is a big difference. Clintons (and the IN's refusal to act for 10 years and instead insistence on passing 17 impotent and unenforced UN resolutions) left the problem for someone else to deal with...

    Either EVERY elected democrat and world intel agency lied, or they didnt.

    And then of course we have several attacks by Clinton on a sovereign nation based on lies...right?

    And the justification for a declared war against Serbia was...what again?
    There was nothing that required we clean up Iraq. That's the flaw in your argument here.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And thus, any thought that he lied about the WMDs is lost.
    He went in with the hope of finding WMDs. He cherry picked all the intel and ignored any that contradicted his theory that Saddam still had WMDs. Yeah he was lying.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    He went in with the hope of finding WMDs. He cherry picked all the intel and ignored any that contradicted his theory that Saddam still had WMDs. Yeah he was lying.
    You cannot in any way prove that he did not believe what he was saying was true, or that he knew that he was saying was false.
    Thus, you cannot show hat he lied.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There was nothing that required we clean up Iraq. That's the flaw in your argument here.
    Years of de-stabilization policy had lead to a situation so unstable that genocide had occured by the dictator against his own people (twice if you count the Marsh Arabs) and mass starvation was occuring due to the sale of oil-for-food trade. The situation was totally screwed up, out of control and well... enough was enough. We had to go clean it up.

    Fortunately, our policy there is now stabilization and Iraq has made huge strides towards a modern government in very few years. I only hope that Iraq will continue to improve and someday soon realize its great potential. What was once a genocidal dictatorship might become a beacon in a dark part of the world. Long live Iraqi democracy.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You cannot in any way prove that he did not believe what he was saying was true, or that he knew that he was saying was false.
    Thus, you cannot show hat he lied.
    And you can not show that he didn't. Either he lied, which I believe he did, or he was a fool. A fool that cost US taxpayers a trillion dollars and tens of thousands of lives. God will judge him.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post

    Fortunately, our policy there is now stabilization and Iraq has made huge strides towards a modern government in very few years. I only hope that Iraq will continue to improve and someday soon realize its great potential. What was once a genocidal dictatorship might become a beacon of light in a dark part of the world. Long live Iraqi democracy.
    Iraq is a powder keg. The bad guys are still there, the new regime is just as corrupt as Saddam's and as soon as US troops leave there will be another regime change. Iraqi democracy is a joke.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    the new regime is just as corrupt as Saddam's
    Oh please.

    How can anyone take that (or anything nearby) seriously?

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There was nothing that required we clean up Iraq. That's the flaw in your argument here.
    Right...because the UN could always just pass another 12 or 13 resolutions. I guess that Clintons attacks in Iraq...they did the trick...of course...he didnt think so...and neither did any of the other elected democrat officials...since they ALL stated Iraq still presented a real threat. But by damn we have some real good armchair Monday morning quarterbacks operating on the 'real' knowledge we NOW have...dont we.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Oh please.

    How can anyone take that (or anything nearby) seriously?
    It's the truth. Some people can't handle the truth.

    BERLIN – An international watchdog group says Afghanistan remains the world's second most corrupt country, and Iraq is not far behind.

    The annual report of Transparency International found Somalia to be most corrupt country, followed by Afghanistan tied with Myanmar, and then Iraq.

    Denmark, New Zealand and Singapore tied for first place as the most principled nations.

    Of the 178 countries surveyed about public sector corruption, nearly three quarters fell below an index score of five on a scale where zero is the most corrupt and 10 is the least.

    The group said Tuesday the overall results show that greater efforts must go into strengthening governance across the globe.

    http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publ...cle_3447.shtml

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60917C20100110

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=20834
    Last edited by USA_1; 11-11-10 at 07:45 PM.
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