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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Perhaps had the world actually ACTED to enforce those resolutions for the 11 years following the first gulf war, we would have known what we know now.
    This is exactly correct - there was never any question regarding Iraq's WMDs and WMD programs - until it was apparent that GWB was actually going to do something about it.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Depends on if you are citing Bush's actual stated REASON or the meaning ascribed by democrats. Bush stated (as one of three reasons, the other two being Genocide and Iraq's support of global terrorism) "Iraqs refusal to provide an accounting of their WMD program as mandated by UN resolution". The UN passed 17 separate resolutions (because he didnt respond to the previous 16). Every intel agency in the world and every elected democrat from 1992 til 2004 ALSO cited Iraq as a WMD possessor and immediate threat. Perhaps had the world actually ACTED to enforce those resolutions for the 11 years following the first gulf war, we would have known what we know now.
    Stockpiles of wmds didn't exist, and there was no reason to think they did. Nor was there evidence of growing and gathering. Genocide was not on going, and years after it happen is a little late. Bringing more death years later is adding injury to injury. And he was a nobody on the global terrorism circut. So, none of the three actually wiork as justification.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it doesn't. It's talking about two different things.
    Please specify these two different things CLEARLY and CONCISELY. Preferably quote both sources rather than paraphrasing or interpreting yourself.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    More diffinition of what we're calling pressure. No one told them they had to say anything of falsify anything. they just kept sending it back, and in the end, simply misused the intel, using sources doubted by the CIA and not mentioned in their report as being doubted.



    No, one looked at a specific question, did the US tell agents they ahd to present false intel. They didn't. No one says they did. What they did do was keep sending it back and questioning. This is clearly spelled out.
    How is your claim that they kept sending it back to the OUSD and questioning it as a means to have it changed, supported?

    Is your claim addressed in ANY official investigation or report? If so, which one and what part? If not, why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As far as they go, yes I accept it. But that is not all to the story, as noted.
    then you agree that:

    1) There is no evidence that Administration officials attempted to coerce, influence, or pressure, analysts to change their judgments related to Iraq's weapons of mas destruction capabilities.

    2) There is no evidence that the Vice President’s visits to the Central Intelligence Agency were attempts to pressure analysts, were perceived as intended to pressure analysts by those who participated in the briefings on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs, or did pressure analysts to change their assessments.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is if they don't accept an answer until they get what they want.
    are you saying that they told the OUSD to redo their assessments regarding Iraq-AlQ repeatedly until the OUSD reports matched the administration's desired conclusions? How is this claim substantiated? News articles citing "unnamed sources"? Your own personal theories? An official report or investigation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You have to deal with the admission of Chalibi and his heors in error, al Libi, and Curveball, all doubted by the intelligence community, yet they were in the NIE and more importantly, in the comments made by the administration.
    All of these were also considered by the CIA and given in their reports as well. Not just the OUSD reports. The CIA was more reserved in their judgments than the OUSD but the CIA did not fully dismiss many of these sources until further intel became available later.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Stockpiles of wmds didn't exist, and there was no reason to think they did. Nor was there evidence of growing and gathering. Genocide was not on going, and years after it happen is a little late. Bringing more death years later is adding injury to injury. And he was a nobody on the global terrorism circut. So, none of the three actually wiork as justification.
    Tell that to Bill Clinton and every other democrat. We dont REALLY have to post their comments...yet again...do we?

    We only know today what we know because Bush acted.

    And BTW...isnt ANYONE at least a LITTLE bit curious about what happened to the tons of biological spores unaccounted for?

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Who inappropriately used what intel? Be specific.

    The report shows that the OUSD inappropriately (not illegally) presented reports inconsistent with other intelligence agencies and provided them to "decision makers" without informing them of a difference in opinion.
    It's not about the illusive evidence, it's about trying to prove a negative. When Sadaam said he didn't have WMDs, Bush told him to prove it.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Bush himself says there's no WMDs.

    I thought Bush was a liar?????
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    It's not about the illusive evidence, it's about trying to prove a negative. When Sadaam said he didn't have WMDs, Bush told him to prove it.
    Not really.
    Saddam claimed it had been destroyed. THAT you CAN prove.
    He didn't.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    It's not about the illusive evidence, it's about trying to prove a negative. When Sadaam said he didn't have WMDs, Bush told him to prove it.
    No, the UN required him to prove it, and he agreed to do so.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is exactly correct - there was never any question regarding Iraq's WMDs and WMD programs - until it was apparent that GWB was actually going to do something about it.
    Only because the dozens of inspectors, who searched every nook and cranny, year in year out, were never really believed. Just another example of people preferring to believe bad news over good news, and probably why all wars in history were started.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, the UN required him to prove it, and he agreed to do so.
    And yet...17 times he did not. He lied, hid, dissembled. Clintons own secretary of defense pointed out that UN inspectors were held at the front gates of facilities whilst trucks were loaded and rolled out the back gates. Every elected democrat denounced his possession of WMDs and the threat he posed from 1992 (throughout the Clinton presidency until 2004 and the pending election.

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