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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    That's false. He invaded one of our allies, the ceasefire was conditional, he violated the conditions of the ceasefire.
    So lob some bombs at the pissant.

    But don't invade the capital on a fool's errand.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Did the article really call decades old mustard gas shells "WMD?"

    A glance at the article shows that all they found was weapons left over from the 1980s war and some new weapons insurgents were making.

    I wish people would read their own articles before posting them. Embarrassing.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    So lob some bombs at the pissant.

    But don't invade the capital on a fool's errand.
    That's what Saddam wanted. He felt that once they did that, he would be able to go back to developing and obtaining WMD. At least if the FBI agent that was in charge of questioning Saddam while he was in prison is to be believed.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    That's what Saddam wanted. He felt that once they did that, he would be able to go back to developing and obtaining WMD. At least if the FBI agent that was in charge of questioning Saddam while he was in prison is to be believed.
    Don't be silly. He hadn't been bombed in years, and still had no new wmds. He had no ability. Wanting is not equal to having. And not equal to making either.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Did the article really call decades old mustard gas shells "WMD?"

    A glance at the article shows that all they found was weapons left over from the 1980s war and some new weapons insurgents were making.

    I wish people would read their own articles before posting them. Embarrassing.
    Well, when you want something to be true, anything will do. Sadly.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, Bush's claim was more than he had them. More than researching them. That he had active programs, actively developing and stockpiling. There was no evidence to support that. None. You ahd to bring in the doubted intel in order to even pretend that was true.
    So despite the fact that more than half the democrats voted FOR the war and were provided such things as a National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's WMDs, you still believe Bush magically performed voodoo and convinced a majority of congress on HIS word alone?

    The Iraq Intelligence Commission found "no evidence of political pressure to influence the Intelligence Community's pre-war assessments of Iraq's weapon systems". In fact, the Iraq Intelligence Commission placed the blame on the intelligence community, "not merely that the assessments were wrong... But that there were serious shortcomings in the way these assessments were made and communicated to policymakers."

    What reliable commission, document, or investigation has concluded or supported the idea that Bush and his administration lied?
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    So despite the fact that more than half the democrats voted FOR the war and were provided such things as a National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's WMDs, you still believe Bush magically performed voodoo and convinced a majority of congress on HIS word alone?

    The Iraq Intelligence Commission found "no evidence of political pressure to influence the Intelligence Community's pre-war assessments of Iraq's weapon systems". In fact, the Iraq Intelligence Commission placed the blame on the intelligence community, "not merely that the assessments were wrong... But that there were serious shortcomings in the way these assessments were made and communicated to policymakers."

    What reliable commission, document, or investigation has concluded or supported the idea that Bush and his administration lied?
    There was never a vote for war. No declaration of war was ever issued. What was voted for was to let Bush decide, a passing of the Buck if you will. Cowardly by all in congress to be sure, but not a vote for war. In fact, some said clearly that if Bush went with the UN, they would oppose him as Saddam did not meet the level of threat to require such an action (see kerry's speech).

    As for what was found, the limit the question to give a false impression. It was pressure influence the pre-war intelligence. No one claims that. It was the use of the intel, the misrepresentation of it that was the lie. Bush used intel from Curveball that was doubted. Those doubts were not passed on in their presentation. Bush used intel from Chalibi and his heros in error that was doubt, and agin with no acknowledgement of this doubt. Bush used coearsed testimony from al Libi that the CIA doubted, even doubt he could possibly know. And we do have a verdict by the IG that says this use of intel was inappropriate. No one said Bush's people were stupid. Overt pressure would have been found out quickly. Better to merely send thenm back and re-look at doubted intel and then pretend it was credible and sound intel.

    Read the IG report on inappropriate use of intel. or, listen to claims versus truth, look at how he got that intel, where it came from, and ask if you would call anyone being so dishonest with you honesty.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    The Iraq Intelligence Commission found "no evidence of political pressure to influence the Intelligence Community's pre-war assessments of Iraq's weapon systems". In fact, the Iraq Intelligence Commission placed the blame on the intelligence community, "not merely that the assessments were wrong... But that there were serious shortcomings in the way these assessments were made and communicated to policymakers."
    Could you provide a link to a more detailed description of the report to which you are referring?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There was never a vote for war. No declaration of war was ever issued. What was voted for was to let Bush decide, a passing of the Buck if you will. Cowardly by all in congress to be sure, but not a vote for war.
    what exactly is "the Iraq war Resolution" then?

    What "vote for war" do you require?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In fact, some said clearly that if Bush went with the UN, they would oppose him as Saddam did not meet the level of threat to require such an action (see kerry's speech).
    So what? Those people can choose to vote against the war and they did. They were a MINORITY.

    After the war, Bush stated that he found out that the intelligence was wrong and was just as disappointed as everybody else when wmd were not found. He nonetheless stands by his decision citing the many OTHER reasons for invasion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It was the use of the intel, the misrepresentation of it that was the lie.
    and no report, investigation, or committee has found evidence to support this. The only one's I am aware who claim this are conspiracy theorists and people with a political agenda.

    No one, or nothing of integrity. can you provide a source of integrity who supports your claim that Bush lied or deliberately misrepresented?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Bush used intel from Curveball that was doubted. Those doubts were not passed on in their presentation. Bush used intel from Chalibi and his heros in error that was doubt, and agin with no acknowledgement of this doubt. Bush used coearsed testimony from al Libi that the CIA doubted, even doubt he could possibly know. And we do have a verdict by the IG that says this use of intel was inappropriate. No one said Bush's people were stupid. Overt pressure would have been found out quickly. Better to merely send thenm back and re-look at doubted intel and then pretend it was credible and sound intel.
    correction. Bush was informed by Intelligence services and made his arguments for war based on those. Those Intelligence Services were found to be in error.

    All you have demonstrated so far is speculation and conjecture. What report or investigation supports your accusations? Or is it all a "conspiracy"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Read the IG report on inappropriate use of intel. or, listen to claims versus truth, look at how he got that intel, where it came from, and ask if you would call anyone being so dishonest with you honesty.
    Please cite and quote the part of the IG report that supports the claim that Bush was dishonest or lied.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Could you provide a link to a more detailed description of the report to which you are referring?
    Unclassified Version of the Report of the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction

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