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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

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    LOL Are you actually comparing Hitler to Saddam as a threat?
    Tell me, when did Hitler become an imminent threat? Was it:
    In 1932? 1934? 1936 when they marched into the Rhineland? Or was it 1939 when he marched into the Sudatenland?

    There were literally dozens of moments showing he was an imminent threat. Churchill saw this in the early 30's... but nobody listened. Hitler broke treaties and tested how far he could go. Saddam did the same. The only difference is Saddam had WMD, in which small amounts in the hands of idiots could kill tens, if not hundreds of thousands. The result wouldn't merely be catastrophic from a human toll, but what it could do to society.

    My God you guys will say anything to justify Bush's invasion of Iraq.
    Look, Democrats voted to send troops to war based on the info at hand. Democrats YEARS BEFORE were vocal about the threat. You ignore what Kay stated, Cohen warned about, and 12-years of letting the idiot show us how corrupt the UN is. This should have been dealt with in 1994, latest 1998... but Clinton never saw it in the polls.

    t took two weeks to completely anialate Iraq with minimal loss of US life. He was no threat to anyone. Zero threat.
    He used and had WMD? "Connect-the Dots" ... remember that? Even some Dems like Hillary did.

    The invasion of Iraq will go down in history as the costliest mistake ever. And in the end the US will have gained absolutely nothing.

    A democracy in the ME... the elimination of a tyrant hostile to the US. WMD threat eliminated.

    It was never justified. We had more justification to invade China, Iran or North Korea.
    LOL... he lost war, agreed to reveal his WMD and didn't... after 12-years. It was more than justified.

    Saddam had his chances, that he didn't take them (probably thinking he bought off the UN)... was his choice.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    When it is all said and done what will the American people have gained from invading Iraq? Probably about the same as what we gained invading Vietnam.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    LOL... he lost war, agreed to reveal his WMD and didn't... after 12-years. It was more than justified.
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    He did reveal them. He said they were destroyed after the first war and he was right.
    Justified? My God man Saddam was impotent. He wanted there to be some doubt so Iran wouldn't attack. It cost us a trillion dollars and thousands of lives to replace one ruthless corrupt regime with one just as bad.
    Only a total fool actually still believes it was in our best interests to invade Iraq. It was a huge costly mistake and in the end Americans will have gained nothing..


    Admit it. Had it been Clinton that invaded and no WMD stockpiles were found you would have crucified him. You are just protecting your boy.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Boo, look at the broader picture.

    Why did we NEED to stay and rebuild? Why would we leave Saddam intact the first time? Why do we give a damn about the region? Why not just remove him and allow some new chump to take over? Why did we remove him and STAY the 2nd time, spending magnitudes more money, energy and man power?

    Because we are just "nice" guys?
    Because we want iraq's oil?
    Because we want to stop al-qaeda?
    None of the above.

    Best explination I heard was from a Straffor article Muley gave be back at WS. It's expensive to get a membership, but they blamed Bush for telling the wrong lie. Too easy to dispute his lie. But that the real reason was to have a base close to Iran. I don't know. But the big picture for me is that this has cost too much interms of lives and money for too little. I think the first Bush had it correct.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    America was right all along.
    About what?

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    He did reveal them. He said they were destroyed after the first war and he was right.
    ROTFLMAO... FAIL.

    You cannot be serious. You are!!! You trust a madman over Hans Blix, and all our allies that stated otherwise? Even the UN stated otherwise... otherwise Saddam would have had sanctions lifted.

    Justified? My God man Saddam was impotent. He wanted there to be some doubt so Iran wouldn't attack.
    FAIL. You completely ignore Kay's and Blix's warnings about WMD, and Cohen's dramatic illustrations showed what small amounts of it can do... unweaponized. Blix told us Saddam had weaponized WMD when Saddam claimed he didn't. Surprised?!

    It cost us a trillion dollars and thousands of lives to replace one ruthless corrupt regime with one just as bad.
    FAIL. Sorry. They don't kill their neighbors, aren't a threat to us, doesn't terrorize the population, has a constitution and holds free elections enthusiastically supported by the population.

    Only a total fool actually still believes it was in our best interests to invade Iraq. It was a huge costly mistake and in the end Americans will have gained nothing..
    FAIL. See above.

    Admit it. Had it been Clinton that invaded and no WMD stockpiles were found you would have crucified him. You are just protecting your boy.
    Post 911 I doubt it. And after Saddam threw out the Inspecteurs de la UN... he had every right.

    You don't hear me complain about Obama in Afghanistan except the troops should be able to engage. It's war. Civilians will die... especially the way the terrorists operate.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    So, can't trust, so invasion was going to happen no matter what Saddam did? That's what I hear you saying Zimmer. And I would agree with you on that, but not for the same reasons. We were never afraid of Saddam. Our own assessment said he wasn't like to use anything even if he had something unless we invaded, and he sat there for years, no real way to store things. We simply did not see him as the kind of threat that required invasion.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    ROTFLMAO... FAIL.

    You cannot be serious. You are!!! You trust a madman over Hans Blix, and all our allies that stated otherwise? Even the UN stated otherwise... otherwise Saddam would have had sanctions lifted.

    FAIL. You completely ignore Kay's and Blix's warnings about WMD, and Cohen's dramatic illustrations showed what small amounts of it can do... unweaponized. Blix told us Saddam had weaponized WMD when Saddam claimed he didn't. Surprised?!

    FAIL. Sorry. They don't kill their neighbors, aren't a threat to us, doesn't terrorize the population, has a constitution and holds free elections enthusiastically supported by the population.

    FAIL. See above.

    Post 911 I doubt it. And after Saddam threw out the Inspecteurs de la UN... he had every right.

    You don't hear me complain about Obama in Afghanistan except the troops should be able to engage. It's war. Civilians will die... especially the way the terrorists operate.

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    Saddam did destroy his WMDs after the first gulf war. That is why we did not find any when we invaded. There weren't any left. Even Bush admitted that. As for Iraq being a threat to our security ony a compete idiot could possible believe that. You were duped into wasting a trillion dollars and thousands of lives. Bush capitalized on fear like yours to get support to invade. Ten years from now Iraq will still be in chaos and closely aligned with Iran. We will have gained nothing from the invasion. You have failed just like the invasion.


    Blix?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/sep/18/iraq.iraq

    The former UN chief weapons inspector, Hans Blix, believes that Iraq destroyed most of its weapons of mass destruction 10 years ago, according to an interview broadcast yesterday.

    The claim came on the same day that President George Bush stated more bluntly than ever that there is no evidence to link Saddam Hussein to the terrorist attacks of September 11 2001 - despite 69% of Americans believing Saddam had a personal role, according to a recent Washington Post opinion poll.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You don't hear me complain about Obama in Afghanistan except the troops should be able to engage. It's war. Civilians will die... especially the way the terrorists operate.

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    Afghanistan was a just war for that is where Al Qaeda, with government support planned and trained for 9/11. The invasion of Iraq weakened our fight to capture and kill those responsible. All our resources should have been directed in Afghanistan. If they had, that conflict would have been successfully completed years ago.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Afghanistan was a just war for that is where Al Qaeda, with government support planned and trained for 9/11. The invasion of Iraq weakened our fight to capture and kill those responsible. All our resources should have been directed in Afghanistan. If they had, that conflict would have been successfully completed years ago.
    When we invaded Iraq, right or wrong, and Al Qaeda joined the fight, we killed far more Al Qaeda than we have in Afghanistan. As far as WMDs, Bush said they were there and was wrong, Obama said the stimulus would fund shovel ready jobs and then admitted there was never any such thing. IMO, if you call Bush a liar for WMDs, you have to call Obama a liar for "shovel ready jobs", especially when every conservative knew and said there was no such thing, but liberals in congress voted to go to war.
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