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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    There could have been a hundred reasons for invading Iraq, but the only legitmate reason for the USA to invade any country is an imminant threat to our security.
    Blix stated the had weaponized WMD and Saddam told them they hadn't. Blix also stated Saddam was playing games and he believed he still had WMD.
    After 911, and ANTHRAX on Capitol Hill... and thanks to Cohen's presentation years before... Americans understood what a small amount of WMD could do.

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    CORNYN: So that, given time, these programs would have matured and Saddam would have been able to reconstitute his WMD arsenal?

    KAY: I hesitate, Senator -- only I think that that's the safe assumption. What I don't know over time, and I'm more and more struck with, is how corrupt and destructive that society had become. But you can't count on when it would fall apart. And it might fall apart in ways that are far more dangerous. So I think that is a safe assumption.

    CORNYN: You said something during your opening statement that intrigues me, and something that I'm afraid may be overlooked in all of this back and forth; and that has to do with proliferation.

    You said that there was a risk of a willing seller meeting a willing buyer of such weapons or weapon stockpiles, whether they be large, small or programs, whether it's information that Iraqi scientists might be willing to sell or work in cooperation with rogue organizations or even nations.

    But do you consider that to have been a real risk in terms of Saddam's activities and these programs -- the risk of proliferation?

    KAY: Actually, I consider it a bigger risk. And that's why I paused on the preceding questions. I consider that a bigger risk than the restart of his programs being successful.

    KAY: I think the way the society was going, and the number of willing buyers in the market, that that probably was a risk that if we did avoid, we barely avoided.


    KAY: Senator Warner, I think the world is far safer with the disappearance and the removal of Saddam Hussein. I have said I actually think this may be one of those cases where it was even more dangerous than we thought.

    I think when we have the complete record you're going to discover that after 1998 it became a regime that was totally corrupt. Individuals were out for their own protection. And in a world where we know others are seeking WMD, the likelihood at some point in the future of a seller and a buyer meeting up would have made that a far more dangerous country than even we anticipated with what may turn out not to be a fully accurate estimate.


    In my judgment, based on the work that has been done to this point of the Iraq Survey Group, and in fact, that I reported to you in October, Iraq was in clear violation of the terms of Resolution 1441. Resolution 1441 required that Iraq report all of its activities: one last chance to come clean about what it had.

    We have discovered hundreds of cases, based on both documents, physical evidence and the testimony of Iraqis, of activities that were prohibited under the initial U.N. Resolution 687 and that should have been reported under 1441, with Iraqi testimony that not only did they not tell the U.N. about this, they were instructed not to do it and they hid material.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Only that is not imminent threat. Nor was Saddam likely to use the little he had. He was far too worried about staying in power. Our own assessment was that he was unlikely to use any wmds unless invaded.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Blix stated the had weaponized WMD and Saddam told them they hadn't. Blix also stated Saddam was playing games and he believed he still had WMD.
    After 911, and ANTHRAX on Capitol Hill... and thanks to Cohen's presentation years before... Americans understood what a small amount of WMD could do.
    But was he an imminant threat to anybody? Nope.
    Was he helping Al Qaeda? Nope. Al Qaeda wanted him out as much as we did and the only Al Qaeda bases in Iraq were in the no fly zone protected by US air power.
    Bush used WMDs to scare people into supporting the invasion. It was one big conjob.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    But was he an imminant threat to anybody? Nope.
    Was he helping Al Qaeda? Nope. Al Qaeda wanted him out as much as we did and the only Al Qaeda bases in Iraq were in the no fly zone protected by US air power.
    Bush used WMDs to scare people into supporting the invasion. It was one big conjob.
    Well, enough in Congress believed and voted he was including this current Secretary of State, who told Code Pink of her inside knowledge.

    It was justified based on the info we had at the time. Tell me, when was bin Laden an imminent threat? Hitler? This imminent threat BS becomes verified too late. David Kay illustrated the breakdown of Iraq was a more serious threat... and at the time said we may not have dodged a bullet.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This imminent threat BS becomes verified too late.
    Are you describing the "imminent threat" tenet of the Just War theory as BS?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Well, enough in Congress believed and voted he was including this current Secretary of State, who told Code Pink of her inside knowledge.

    It was justified based on the info we had at the time. Tell me, when was bin Laden an imminent threat? Hitler? This imminent threat BS becomes verified too late. David Kay illustrated the breakdown of Iraq was a more serious threat... and at the time said we may not have dodged a bullet.

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    LOL Are you actually comparing Hitler to Saddam as a threat? My God you guys will say anything to justify Bush's invasion of Iraq. It took two weeks to completely anialate Iraq with minimal loss of US life. He was no threat to anyone. Zero threat.
    The invasion of Iraq will go down in history as the costliest mistake ever. And in the end the US will have gained absolutely nothing.
    It was never justified. We had more justification to invade China, Iran or North Korea.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and your aim is off as you describe the focus of this thread. here it is:
    I joined this thread to debate misrepresentations of the facts. The misrepresentation that Iraq was solely about WMD's, oil, and/or saddam's association with AQ.

    I did not join to debate whether invading iraq was or was not a good idea. Especially with the likes of this bunch.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that appeal to change topic direction is the post of one who has painted himself into a corner he does not like. welcome to DP. next time, wave the white flag instead of whining when it becomes obvious you have lost the debate
    Whoop-di-do! You think you've "painted me into a corner" or that I'm running away . Good for you.

    The most telling part of your response is the amateur remark about "losing the debate". Do you think this is a high school debate where points and grades are awarded? I think you need to reanalyze your purpose.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, I do. He said going it was easy, leaving hard. We did not have world support, and the UN wasn't with us. He knew the cost vwersus the gain was a loser, and he was right.

    Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney noted that invading the country would get the United States "bogged down in the quagmire inside Iraq." Bush later explained that he did not give the order to overthrow the Iraqi government because it would have "incurred incalculable human and political costs... We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq."[13

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    We then played games, hoping the Iraqis would do it. We worked with Chalibi (remember that name) and that led to Kurds getting killed and left without our help. I suggest you goggle Chalabi on that and then ask why Bush jr choose to trust him later.
    Boo, look at the broader picture.

    Why did we NEED to stay and rebuild? Why would we leave Saddam intact the first time? Why do we give a damn about the region? Why not just remove him and allow some new chump to take over? Why did we remove him and STAY the 2nd time, spending magnitudes more money, energy and man power?

    Because we are just "nice" guys?
    Because we want iraq's oil?
    Because we want to stop al-qaeda?
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    America was right all along.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    America was right all along.
    When it is all said and done what will the American people have gained from invading Iraq? Probably about the same as what we gained invading Vietnam.
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