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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post

    Clinton warned about war, but did not invade. Bush should not have attacked either. He should have asked his father why he didn't invade Baghdad in 1991. There were very good reasons, and W. Bush could have learned from them.

    Dick Cheney had a bit to say about that during the first Iraq war.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

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    Yeah.. You "knew" alright.

    The very next time a dangerous country is acting like they have WMD's and not fullfilling their agreements under international treaties, i'm sure Obama will yell for them to "go get that TryReading guy". Think of all the money that can be saved by just trusting our national defence to you. Sure, you'll be wrong almost all of the time, but just think - you'll always have Iraq. The one time you were right.
    I'll take it. Being right about Iraq is not too bad.

    But the thing is, it was so easy. Let's see. Korea, Vietnam... Okay, there's some good history to base an attack and invasion decision on.

    Let's do the math:

    Korea + Vietnam = Don't fall for it again!


    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Well, IMO there were and will be further benefits from this invesment. But if the only one you can see is the little bit of WMD that we found, good for you.
    Investment? Whaaahahahahahahahahaha.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Dick Cheney had a bit to say about that during the first Iraq war.
    Gotta love him, huh?
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

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    During the cold war, we met with the Russians as well. Does that mean we were in league with them? We meet with the Talabn now, meet with inusrgants in Iraq, and always meet with our enemies in some capacity. Do these meetings equal us working with them? And what he wanted does not equal what he was able to do.
    Are you claiming to know what discussions occurred or did not occur between Saddam and known terrorists?

    Are you claiming that Saddam had a BBQ and tea party with known terrorists organizations and that is it?


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He did. True. But as otherrs pointed out, that was when asked directly, and after he had so completely anchored the connection in the public mind.
    Its not the administrations job to correct every moron who misunderstands or misinterprets what they say, especially if they end up agreeing with what they want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I ran into some yesterday who still believes Saddam was behind 9/11 and that Bush told him he was. True, there are likely few of those left, but misinformation dies a slow, hard death.
    And there are people who believe aliens live on earth in reptilian form and control the government. I don't care about their misinformed beliefs either.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    At one level I agree with you. And frankly, if it were just politics, involving run of the mill lying, as they all do this, I wouldn't bat an eye. I accept as too many of us do that politicians lie. Lies that send us to war are far too serious for me to dismiss this war. If you're going to ask those I love to go into harms way, I don't ask, I demand that you tell the truth. If you can't tell the truth, you don't deserve the right to send young men and women to war. And I don't care who did it in the past.
    Some people may feel that way. Others such as myself see this as politics as usual. Politics that haven't changed since long before this government was formed.
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Are you claiming to know what discussions occurred or did not occur between Saddam and known terrorists?

    Are you claiming that Saddam had a BBQ and tea party with known terrorists organizations and that is it?
    No, and I don't have to claim that. The mere fact that anyone met is not evidence of collaboration. If Bush or anyone else is going to claim a working relationship, they have to prove it. They have to present evidence. And when we meet with known terrorist, and we do, we are neither working with them or having a BBQ and tea party. You're silliness attempts to mask not addressing the point.

    Its not the administrations job to correct every moron who misunderstands or misinterprets what they say, especially if they end up agreeing with what they want.

    And there are people who believe aliens live on earth in reptilian form and control the government. I don't care about their misinformed beliefs either.
    It's their job not to cloud the issue. Bush's speeches were carefully crafted. The administrations efforts, like say Cheney concerning Atta, for example, speak to this and what they are responsible for.


    Some people may feel that way. Others such as myself see this as politics as usual. Politics that haven't changed since long before this government was formed.
    Not sure war is politics. Sorry for anyone who sees it that, personally. War is suffering. To inflict that without just cause and merely call the lying politics is something I really can't accept. Sorry.

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

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    Investment? Whaaahahahahahahahahaha.


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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, and I don't have to claim that. The mere fact that anyone met is not evidence of collaboration. If Bush or anyone else is going to claim a working relationship, they have to prove it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They have to present evidence.
    Prove and present evidence to who? You?

    Are you simply being skeptical (E.G., "I don't know if saddam was linked to terrorists or attempting to build relationships") or are you DENYING it (E.G., Saddam was NOT doing these things).



    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And when we meet with known terrorist, and we do, we are neither working with them or having a BBQ and tea party. You're silliness attempts to mask not addressing the point.
    Are you claiming that the only evidence are these meetings? Are you unaware of saddam's other activities?


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's their job not to cloud the issue. Bush's speeches were carefully crafted. The administrations efforts, like say Cheney concerning Atta, for example, speak to this and what they are responsible for.
    so you'd prefer that leaders say "we aren't 100% positive about Saddam having this or that but we think its probably a good idea. Please support us."

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure war is politics. Sorry for anyone who sees it that, personally. War is suffering. To inflict that without just cause and merely call the lying politics is something I really can't accept. Sorry.
    Your personal feelings and what you can or can't accept is irrelevant to me.

    Do you have anything to debate on this matter besides your opinion (E.G., "I can't accept it")?
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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

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    Prove and present evidence to who? You?

    Are you simply being skeptical (E.G., "I don't know if saddam was linked to terrorists or attempting to build relationships") or are you DENYING it (E.G., Saddam was NOT doing these things).
    If they make the claim to me, yes to me. No matter who they make the claim to, they have to present evidence. We shold not be tools and just acept everything said without evidence.



    Are you claiming that the only evidence are these meetings? Are you unaware of saddam's other activities?
    I'm fully aware. And there is nothing linking him to working with al qaeda. nothing that held up anyway.


    so you'd prefer that leaders say "we aren't 100% positive about Saddam having this or that but we think its probably a good idea. Please support us."
    I prefer the truth. The evidence we had supported that he was not growing and gathering.


    Your personal feelings and what you can or can't accept is irrelevant to me.

    Do you have anything to debate on this matter besides your opinion (E.G., "I can't accept it")?
    There's an element of opinion in all arguments. Nothing wrong with that either. I don't suggest here I rule the world. But I do ask, is they are reason the government wastes a loved one's life that matters to you? Or are their lives just expendable and cause or truth meaningless to you?

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    UN reolutions? Seems the guys who despise the UN the most think it was a good idea we went to war to enforce their resolutions.
    Nice try.

    The resolutions are only indications of how toothless the UN was and how long he was gaming with WMD. I know of no Republican using the UN as a reason to go to war. It does illustrate a time line.

    He had used WMD, you are right. In the early 1980s, while we were his ally during the Iraq-Iran war, he used them on the Iranians and on his own people. We continued to back him anyway. At that time, we turned a blind eye.
    And what does that have t do with the fact he had weapons, lost a war and signed on to disarm as part of the agreement when they lost the war.

    Clinton warned about war, but did not invade. Bush should not have attacked either. He should have asked his father why he didn't invade Baghdad in 1991. There were very good reasons, and W. Bush could have learned from them.
    Clinton was setting the stages, but we know Bill... polls didn't show support, and the only time he would go against polls is when it's military generals. Then he'll fire off some firecrackers into an Afghan Camel's rear, and a Sudanese pill factory.

    Bush 41 didn't roll into Baghdad because it was part of the UN Resolution to oust Saddam from Kuwait. Had Bush 41 tromped into Baghdad, the left would have screamed bloody murder.

    So what have we learned?

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    Re: Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

    Just a note. The first Bush explained rather well why going into Baghdad was a bad idea. Wish jr. had read his book.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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