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A union member fired for U.S.S. George W. Bush shirt...

Ockham said:
Post up the evidence pal. Let's see... you claim it was a "set up", then you claim he purposefully made this a political issue, now you claim his kid wasn't on the USS Bush.

And until you prove it, there's no reason to believe you - especially given your foaming at the mouth hissy fit based on bupkus. Wait wati... it's all a Right Wing Conspiracy right? What's the definition of "are" that you used again? :giggle1:
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Hissy fit?
I think it's hilarious. I just can't stop laughing. You folks are just too gullible but very entertaining..
 
Ockham said:
Well, the article was OBVIOUSLY lying and they must be gullible beyond belief too.
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They were reporting what the guy wanted them to report. You might want to wait for the whole story.
 
Ockham said:
Knew it... I called it!! I want a prize... where's my kewpie doll...
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There is a sucker born every minute and this place is filled with them.
 
USA-1 said:
There is a sucker born every minute and this place is filled with them.
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And there's lots of people who stop taking their meds and wander around aimlessly too.
 
USA-1 said:
It was a set up and the guy got his 15 minutes of fame. From a distance all you can read is BUSH
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So he was fired by an ignorant union supervisor. No surprise. Reminds me of the city official that got into trouble for using the word "niggardly" when speaking to a crowd of ignorant people.
 
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So let's see...a couple idiots do something stupid, and this is a big deal why? I just don't understand the point of this.
 
Ockham said:
And there's lots of people who stop taking their meds and wander around aimlessly too.
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Let's see here. You see this story on the internet and you take it on faith that it's all legit without questioning it because it gives you a reason to trash democrats. You people are so funny. I do not believe everything I see on the internet. I queston everything.
 
Moon said:
So he was fired by an ignorant union supervisor. No surprise. Reminds me of the city official that got into trouble for using the word "niggardly" when speaking to a crowd of ignorant people.
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He wasn't fired, he was given a choice. He wanted to be on TV so he refused to turn his shirt inside out.

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USA-1 said:
He wasn't fired, he was given a choice. He wanted to be on TV so he refused to turn his shirt inside out.

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Yeah. You're insisting this is so because you're after attention yourself. I know this as fact. How? Same way you know this guy.
 
Redress said:
So let's see...a couple idiots do something stupid, and this is a big deal why? I just don't understand the point of this.
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What makes you say this is a big deal? We're just commenting on a stupid person firing someone for wearing a U.S.S. G.H.W. Bush shirt.
 
USA-1 said:
Let's see here. You see this story on the internet and you take it on faith that it's all legit without questioning it because it gives you a reason to trash democrats. You people are so funny. I do not believe everything I see on the internet. I queston everything.
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And you're making an assumption that this is...

1. a "set up",
2. purposefully done as a political issue,
3. his kid wasn't on the USS Bush

And that's based on .. nothing. How is your view superior to mine again? I don't mind questioning things, but when you go overboard and start making frothy accusations about this guy who you don't know, never saw, and then start attacking the people here because we're not agreeing with your paranoid biased opinion, we're the suckers. Do ya listen to yourself at all? Call me crazy, but before I judge others and pass judgement I like to see something convincing other than just my own blathering biased opinion.

So before I jump on your bandwagon, I need more than just your say so. Got it?
 
Ockham said:
And you're making an assumption that this is...

1. a "set up",
2. purposefully done as a political issue,
3. his kid wasn't on the USS Bush

And that's based on .. nothing. How is your view superior to mine again? I don't mind questioning things, but when you go overboard and start making frothy accusations about this guy who you don't know, never saw, and then start attacking the people here because we're not agreeing with your paranoid biased opinion, we're the suckers. Do ya listen to yourself at all? Call me crazy, but before I judge others and pass judgement I like to see something convincing other than just my own blathering biased opinion.

So before I jump on your bandwagon, I need more than just your say so. Got it?
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I wanted to contribute but you and Patriot beat me do it. There's really nothing left to say to convince him.
 
Even if he was a Bush supporter and was wearing "I love Bush" shirt. I still don't see why he should loose his job. The company/union should only care about his job performance, not his political opinions. Also, it's kind of hypocritical. They cannot fire people for doing a bad job, but they can fire a person for his political opinions.

I think it's because the far left in practice doesn't support free speech. For instance at one of the biggest socialist forum. RevLeft, they only allow certain opinions and even ban users who are socialists, but not the right type. Another reason, why I don't like unions.
 
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USA-1 said:
They told him to take it off, turn it inside out or leave. The choice was his. Had a worker at a McCain rally been wearing a Clinton shirt what do you think would have happened?
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I don't know. Since the situation never happened, I find it all for naught to speculate and conclude that said worker would have suffered the same fate. The issue is the firing of a man who revered his son's service and had every right to wear what he was wearing.

So my question is to you: what is your answer to a purely diversionary and unprovable scenario?
 
Camlon said:
Even if he was a Bush supporter and was wearing "I love Bush" shirt. I still don't see why he should loose his job. The company/union should only care about his job performance, not his political opinions. Also, it's kind of hypocritical. They cannot fire people for doing a bad job, but they can fire a person for his political opinions.

I think it's because the far left in practice doesn't support free speech. For instance at one of the biggest socialist forum. RevLeft, they only allow certain opinions and even ban users who are socialists, but not the right type. Another reason, why I don't like unions.
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Losing his job was his choice.
 
Ockham said:
And you're making an assumption that this is...

1. a "set up",
2. purposefully done as a political issue,
3. his kid wasn't on the USS Bush

And that's based on .. nothing. How is your view superior to mine again? I don't mind questioning things, but when you go overboard and start making frothy accusations about this guy who you don't know, never saw, and then start attacking the people here because we're not agreeing with your paranoid biased opinion, we're the suckers. Do ya listen to yourself at all? Call me crazy, but before I judge others and pass judgement I like to see something convincing other than just my own blathering biased opinion.

So before I jump on your bandwagon, I need more than just your say so. Got it?
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And you are making an assumption that he just wore the shirt to honor his son and he had no idea that it would cause a commotion.
You already jumped on the bandwagon. Hilarious.
 
liblady said:
now wait.....i thought unions couldn't ever fire anybody? and their members never actually worked?
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Unions can fire anybody they want for any reason they want. It's the people who pay their salaries who can't fire union workers. Did you forget that?
 
USA-1 said:
Losing his job was his choice.
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I beg to differ. Let's use the analogy of a person being told to have sex with his/her employer or lose his/her job. The employee refuses and loses his/her job. Is that the choice of the employee? Sexual harassment laws aside, the employee is put into a position that offends the senses and violates the reasonable expectation to work in an environment that is free of conditions that are not germane to the job description.

The man in the union was there to perform a task, not appease the union boss's sense of what he deemed to be offensive clothing.
 
USA-1 said:
Losing his job was his choice.
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Well, that can debated, but I believe it is stupid and immoral to fire a person for his political opinions, but I think they should be allowed to fire him.

But unions don't. They want to make it illegal to fire people, but when someone disagrees with them then they don't hesitate to fire the person. That makes them hypocrites.
 
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USA-1 said:
They told him to take it off, turn it inside out or leave. The choice was his. Had a worker at a McCain rally been wearing a Clinton shirt what do you think would have happened?
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But, this is a boat named after a former president. No where close to being the same thing.

It's idiotic to suggest there is something wrong with wearing a t-shirt, that sports the name of a United States naval vessel, at a political rally. Anybody's political rally.
 
USA-1 said:
He wasn't fired, he was given a choice. He wanted to be on TV so he refused to turn his shirt inside out.

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He wasn't fired? So he's still working then?
 
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