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    Re: Cuba prepares for another bitter sugar harvest

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    I imagine it will be no easy for the official propaganda machine try to avoid that the people will not associate the sugar imports with Florida, the larger producer of sugar cane in US. The sugar plantations and industries in Florida were developed by entrepreneurs whose industries and plantations in Cuba were confiscated by Castro brothers regime, in order to put them “to the service of the people” and to make them “more efficient and productive”. A tale that time has demonstrated it develop with a conclusion very different from the beginning. The end result has been the collapse of the sugar industry developed over centuries by hard and intelligent work of many generations. It has been cause by lack of foresight and mismanagement under the Castros dictatorial regime.
    You do realize that prior to the excessive tariff placed on imported sugar, the US production was on a serious decline? The US sugar industry exists because the government is protecting them from free markets. And American consumers are paying more then they should for sugar. There's a reason why food producers use high fructose corn syrup over sugar. Because sugar's price in artificially high in the US due to government manipulation.

    How the Castros regime can explain the reasons why they have to resort to a sugar importing country like the United States, to procure a product that traditionally exported the island. Who would have imagined that Cuba would become an importer of food, even importing sugar, from the United States, of all places?
    Because they are an island with expanding population? The same problem every island nation with expanding population has? Your grasp of economics, especially developmental coupled with geography is appallingly shallow.

    Oh I forgot. You don't respond to anyone who points out the flaws in your arguments.
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    Re: Cuba prepares for another bitter sugar harvest

    How about we find something rational to hit Cuba over? There are plenty. Let's ignore the stupid items like sugar.
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    Re: Cuba prepares for another bitter sugar harvest

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    $~.5b, accounting for ~ half of Cuban exports =/= stupid item.
    In this context it does. Cuba's failing sugar industry has more to do with the price of sugar then anything else. The US had declining production before Congress enacted high tariffs to protect them. Brazil has comparative advantage and Cuba cannot even begin to compete regardless of who is in power there. Brazil produces so much it can feed a huge ethanol industry at the same time significantly depressing world sugar prices.

    Citing sugar as a failure of the Cuban political system is a stupid item when you understand the economic of sugar.

    Uh...sugar doesn't account for half of Cuban exports. $297 million is not half of $1.672 billion.
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    Re: Cuba prepares for another bitter sugar harvest

    In any context it is a big deal. Cuba's failing sugar industry represents the country's major industry and a massive portion of their exports.

    Uh...check the numbers from 2001-2. Shall we check the percentage before that?

    You can have all the excuses you want but they failed in their biggest industry. Failed hard. "Now what?" is a reasonable question and the collapse of Cuba's export market is not a stupid item. This forces the Castro regime to seek foreign investment (read: intervention) in some regard, or risk falling back decades more from western standards of living. Cuba needs tourism, badly.

    Hello casinos, the Batista days are here again. Havana, no Rules! Wooo!
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    Re: Cuba prepares for another bitter sugar harvest

    In any context it is a big deal. Cuba's failing sugar industry represents the country's major industry and a massive portion of their exports.
    No more so then the failure of US sugar producers to keep up. Does that mean the US failed in its government?

    Uh...check the numbers from 2001-2. Shall we check the percentage before that?
    Oh yay. Old numbers. Look up 2008 export numbers.

    You can have all the excuses you want but they failed in their biggest industry.
    Biggest? Dude. Check your own links. Furthermore, I don't disagree they failed, but their failing has more to do with structure comparative advantage issues more so then anything government related. There's frankly nothing Cuba can do to compete with Brazil in sugar exports. Hence why Sandokan's use of sugar decline as a reason Cuba's government is bad is stupid. Cuba's government is bad for other reasons. You don't seem to get that key point. That's the context of the discussion. And hence why this topic is stupid in that context.

    Failed hard. "Now what?" is a reasonable question and the collapse of Cuba's export market is not a stupid item
    You might want to read your own charts. Sugar =/= Cuba's export market.

    This forces the Castro regime to seek foreign investment (read: intervention) in some regard, or risk falling back decades more from western standards of living. Cuba needs tourism, badly.
    Cuba needs more then just tourism. Furthermore, it has been getting record number of tourists anyways. Cuba needs property reform so that individuals can own and generate their own property and wealth. Fix that and you'd fix a lot of other problems.

    Hello casinos, the Batista days are here again. Havana, no Rules! Wooo!
    Hopefully. Amusingly, if we ended the embargo, the Castro days would end quickly.
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    Re: Cuba prepares for another bitter sugar harvest

    US sugar does not represent the vast majority of our exports or GDP. Apples and oranges.

    Looking at 2008 numbers is meh, the industry fell apart in the past decade not last night. It's only now that it has reached very embarrassing and dangerous shortcomings with no sign of possible recovery. It's a big deal and if Cuba doesn't make up for that cash a terrible situation is going to get worse, stop the "nothing to see here" spin.
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    Re: Cuba prepares for another bitter sugar harvest

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    US sugar does not represent the vast majority of our exports or GDP. Apples and oranges.
    Uh..okay?

    I sense you are just looking around for an argument. Sugar doesn't represent the vast majority either for Cuba. Still, that's not the point here. Cuba's sugar industry is failing for the same reason the US sugar industry was failing prior to protectionist measures. Does that support Sandokan's argument? Not a chance. Hence why he's abandoning this thread.

    Looking at 2008 numbers is meh, the industry fell apart in the past decade not last night. It's only now that it has reached very embarrassing and dangerous shortcomings wit no sign of possible recovery.
    Cuba's industry mirrors the US's. There's frankly nothing they really could have done to prevent its collapse. The US still imports sugar, even with high tariffs. The notion that if the US can't even fix its sugar industry that Cuba could is pretty loony.
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    Re: Cuba prepares for another bitter sugar harvest

    The only thing loony is you thinking that sugar should matter to the US as much as it does to Cuba.

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    Re: Cuba prepares for another bitter sugar harvest

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The only thing loony is you thinking that sugar should matter to the US as much as it does to Cuba.
    Still not getting it are you?

    I'll make this exceedingly simple for you.

    Sandokan argued Cuba's sugar problem = why Cuba's government is bad

    Does that make sense in the context of sugar economics? You tell me.

    Tell me, what do you think Cuba should have done to fix its sugar industry in the face of overwhelming Brazilian domination of the world sugar market?
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