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    Re: Chamber Receives At Least $885,000 From Over 80 Foreign Companies In Disclosed Do

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Please tell me why the Chamber shouldn't be required to open it books and reveal where the political donations are coming from?
    because that's the law, for one.
    beause the intent of forcing them to open up political donations is to coerce and threaten individuals for another. like when congressional democrats threatened to release the names and addreses of where bank executives kept their families if they didn't turn back in their (legal) bonuses; it's brutal street-politics.

    could you tell me why ThinkProgress, and other left-wing organizations (including others now making this charge) refuse to do the same?

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    Re: Chamber Receives At Least $885,000 From Over 80 Foreign Companies In Disclosed Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian
    Considering the foreign money is less than 1% of their $200,000,000 funding, that would make it... let me see... $2,000,000 dollars.

    This 'monstrous' partisan attack ad campaign is costing them (scrolls up to OP) $75,000,000.

    So, $200,000,000 ,minus the $2,000,000 in foreign contributions, leaves... (carry the two, divide by pi) $198,000,000 left in non-foreign contributions. Sounds like that meets the FEC requirements about US sources to allow them to run political ads, even ones costing $75,000,000 dollars.

    You liberal weenies are gonna have to try much harder
    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Please tell me why the Chamber shouldn't be required to open it books and reveal where the political donations are coming from? It seems to me that a decade earlier the right wing was all in a flutter about Gore getting donations from a Buddist temple. Hillary Clinton's donors have been questioned by the right as to the source. But now the right has the Chamber of Commerce to launder the money.
    Because they are not legally required to do so.

    Open your personal books to me. PROVE you're not giving money to terrorist fronts.
    Last edited by Whovian; 10-14-10 at 12:41 AM.

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    Re: Chamber Receives At Least $885,000 From Over 80 Foreign Companies In Disclosed Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Because they are not legally required to do so.
    So you don't have a problem that the Chamber can launder money from foreign sources?


    Open your personal books to me. PROVE you're not giving money to terrorist fronts.
    If you had a need to know and the authority, you would not have a problem examining my books.


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    Re: Chamber Receives At Least $885,000 From Over 80 Foreign Companies In Disclosed Do

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Please tell me why the Chamber shouldn't be required to open it books and reveal where the political donations are coming from? It seems to me that a decade earlier the right wing was all in a flutter about Gore getting donations from a Buddist temple. Hillary Clinton's donors have been questioned by the right as to the source. But now the right has the Chamber of Commerce to launder the money.
    I can explain it in two words: Political Target.

    Not that Obama or anyone in his administration would target anyone... like Koch Industries... for example.

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    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Chamber Receives At Least $885,000 From Over 80 Foreign Companies In Disclosed Do

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I can explain it in two words: Political Target.

    Not that Obama or anyone in his administration would target anyone... like Koch Industries... for example.
    or fox news or rush limbaugh or john boehner or health insurance companies, or bank executives, or whoever the bad-guy-who-we-are-hoping-will-distract-you-from-our-utter-failure-in-office will be next week.

    but it is cute how they jump when their ideological superiors tug on the strings.

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    Re: Chamber Receives At Least $885,000 From Over 80 Foreign Companies In Disclosed Do

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    So you don't have a problem that the Chamber can launder money from foreign sources?

    If you had a need to know and the authority, you would not have a problem examining my books.
    If there was even a slight bit of actual evidence that they were doing that, then they should be investigated. The only EVIDENCE so far, is Axlerod saying 'Can you prove they don't?' If that's what you consider evidence, I pray that you never become a lawyer or a judge in this country.

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    Re: Chamber Receives At Least $885,000 From Over 80 Foreign Companies In Disclosed Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    If there was even a slight bit of actual evidence that they were doing that, then they should be investigated. The only EVIDENCE so far, is Axlerod saying 'Can you prove they don't?'
    The information in the OP meets that standard, imo.

    If that's what you consider evidence, I pray that you never become a lawyer or a judge in this country.
    That looks like an ad homonym to me.


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    Re: Chamber Receives At Least $885,000 From Over 80 Foreign Companies In Disclosed Do

    there is a straight forward fix to ending our nation's greatest problem .... eliminating government being for sale to the highest bidder

    ALL campaign contributions/expenditures MUST be transparent and posted on the internet
    ANY contribution to a political candidate or on their behalf will be viewed as an illegal bribe if they are not timly and publicly posted on that designated internet site
    ALL contributions MUST be made by a registered voter
    if the registered voter cannot expect the candidate's name to appear on their ballot then they CANNOT make a legal contribution to/on behalf of that candidate

    since foreign entities, unions, corporations, etc. cannot be registered voters, they will no longer be able to buy political influence (in the form of campaign contributions .... presently these are nothing other than legal bribes)
    since the contribution must be for a prospective candidate whose name would potentially be on the registered voter's ballot, this prevents the wealthy from making contributions - buying influence - in election races in which they are unable to vote
    these measures - with a ceiling on contributions - would return political power to the people and away from those of means, including foreign and corporate interests
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Chamber Receives At Least $885,000 From Over 80 Foreign Companies In Disclosed Do

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The information in the OP meets that standard, imo.


    That looks like an ad homonym to me.
    Wow.. in your mind, the fact that the CofC raises foreign money PROVES they are laundering money? THAT is your evidence?

    My prayers mentioned above are now doubled.

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    Re: Chamber Receives At Least $885,000 From Over 80 Foreign Companies In Disclosed Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Wow.. in your mind, the fact that the CofC raises foreign money PROVES they are laundering money? THAT is your evidence?
    How can you tell unless they open their books? Fact is that 527s are required show their donors; since the CoC is acting like a 527, why aren't they require to do so as well?

    The Chamber has admitted to taking foreign funds for the same 501(c)(6) account they use for attack ads, and ThinkProgress caught them collecting $885,000 from over 80 foreign companies by investigating the Chamber’s own fundraising documents. Normally, organizations take international funds through a 501(c)(3), which is prohibited from political activity. However, what the Chamber is doing, fundraising from foreign corporations and asking them to deposit the money in their 501(c)(6) — an undisclosed, unlimited vehicle for their attack ads — is unprecedented.
    ‘Are You Guys Eventually Going To Disclose?’ Chamber Responds Bluntly, ‘No!’

    My prayers mentioned above are now doubled.
    Oh goody, you're going to be on your knees for me.


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