Chamber Receives At Least $885,000 From Over 80 Foreign Companies In Disclosed Donati

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Think Progress and Obama believe that if they simply repeat the same thing over and over in slightly different ways, they'll keep on netting people who don't really understand the situation. They appear to be right.

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MCS117 said:

There are no grounds for your warrants. In order to make an accusation, you need to back it up. Just saying, that your think they do and having no grounds for it is essentially rubbish and come back when you have real grounds.

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I disagree, in the OP it shows that at least $885,000 come from foreign donors. It's been pointed out this amount is small by comparison to the total of ads done by the CoC. This leads to conclusion that these amounts are just the tip of the iceberg. Where there is smoke there is also fire, so to speak.

The Citizens United case ruled that corporations and unions have the right to spend unlimited cash in political campaigns. Why should a corporation be able to attack candidate through CoC and not reveal who they are?

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pbrauer said:

I disagree, in the OP it shows that at least $885,000 come from foreign donors. It's been pointed out this amount is small by comparison to the total of ads done by the CoC. This leads to conclusion that these amounts are just the tip of the iceberg.

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No, it does not. That is in no way a logical conclusion.

"I saw a guy peeing into a lake. Someone else noted that the amount of pee that he contributed was small compared to the massive amount of water in the lake. This leads to the conclusion that the lake is mostly piss."

Does that make any sense?

The Citizens United case ruled that corporations and unions have the right to spend unlimited cash in political campaigns.

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That's not really what the decision said, as has been explained ad nauseum.

Why should a corporation be able to attack candidate through CoC and not reveal who they are?

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Setting aside the fact that it's not about the CoC identifying itself, perhaps because neither the Constitution nor federal law provide otherwise?

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pbrauer said:

I disagree, in the OP it shows that at least $885,000 come from foreign donors. It's been pointed out this amount is small by comparison to the total of ads done by the CoC. This leads to conclusion that these amounts are just the tip of the iceberg. Where there is smoke there is also fire, so to speak.

The Citizens United case ruled that corporations and unions have the right to spend unlimited cash in political campaigns. Why should a corporation be able to attack candidate through CoC and not reveal who they are?

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Proof, we need proof. We need a money trail or Emails or someone that worked in Accounting that wants to be the whistle blower. But guess what, there are no whistle blowers yet because either they are scared or there was no foul. That blogger is making really big stretches by claiming USIBC is part of the US Chamber of Commerce. I mean, seriously? Is there any proof besides USIBC has a link to the Chamber of Commerce's website?

And really? Can you prove that money from corporations were spent on the ads? It's like this.

Think of a sewage treatment plant. Sewage goes in and out and treated water comes out to the homes. Think raw sewage as all donations. Think solid sewage as the greedy evil foreign donations and the regular sewage is the rest. Solid sewage gets disposed of in a separate outlet from treated water. If any of the solids enter treated water, people will know. If not, there are whistle blowers that will yell if solids enter the treated water. So far, the blog is just a random person who "tested" the waters and said it's contaminated in his area. Now, we ask to show his findings to find where the contaminated water is coming from, but all this blogger says is it's there, but has no "test results" to show that a contamination has taken place. And now the media wants the "sewage treatment plant" to show it's protocols and where everything comes in and out just because of a baseless claim.

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saying something with only theories is not a ground, and to get a warrant, you need ground. So stop strong arming the Chamber of Commerce into giving their records is somewhat hitting low. And that dollar amount is to the USIBC, not the US CoC. It's like this, I know that One Nation rally is sponsored by Communist America and a bunch of socialist groups, therefore the rally is about communism. Oddly enough, my statement has more credibility than yours primarily because it shows a direct relationship, you have yet to prove there is a direct relationship between USIBC and US CoC.

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Whovian said:

I heard it was a dude. I wonder if Michelle know yet?

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maybe that is where Elliot Spitzer got his name:mrgreen::mrgreen:

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Think Progress is Double DUH PROGRESSIVES.

It's like thinking because Fact Check has Fact in the name it wil produce FACTUAL information. BUZZZZZZZZ! WRONG nothing could be further from the truth.

Fact Check is owned operated and controlled by the Annenberg Foundation, and boys an girls this is a Liberal Left almost as Obama.

One thing that needs to come out more is that the Chamber doesn't just support Republican Businesses or issues but they also support Democrats as well.

This is all about what Hitler said: It is not truth that matters, but victory. And: If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

Obama seems to use Hitler quotes as a guide book with a little Marx thrown in for flavor, I guess they teach this in Black Liberation Theology classes when you attend Rev.Wright's Church for 20 years.

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TurtleDude said:

GOre was l ying when he claimed he was ignorant of a fund raiser or that "he had to pee" every time the lurid details were discussed
far different from the chamber.

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I guess for the same reason Obama's 2008 campaign wasn't required to reveal their internet political donations.

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davidwillson said:

I guess for the same reason Obama's 2008 campaign wasn't required to reveal their internet political donations.

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I don't know if Obama broke any laws and then lied about it

Gorebot did

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MCS117 said:

Proof, we need proof...

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Proof? We don't need no stinkin proof... We're Democrats, damnit! Vaminos!