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Sarah Palin no longer the darling of her own Tea Party.

ReverendHellh0und said:
:failpail:


You are going to need a bigger bucket. Seriously.


I could beat it into your head with a clue by four, but at this point, I don't think it would help.
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oh, it's a fail to ask why tea party backed candidates can't come up with anything but slogans?
 
liblady said:
oh, they have an identity. it's too bad the intelligent people within that movement can't see that.
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like this sort of snotty comment, perhaps you can try to intellectually attempt to disagree with the few specific tenets behind the tea party movement instead of embarrassing yourself by being a close minded partisan hack. :shrug:
 
liblady said:
oh, it's a fail to ask why tea party backed candidates can't come up with anything but slogans?
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zyph hits the nail on the head, I won't waste my time repeating to someone who chooses to be ignorant. :shrug:
 
winston53660 said:
Since the Tea Party is a movement not a party that makes them more malleable to current circumstance.
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Absolutely.

When the wind blows in a certain direction they can adjust there sails. There are both advantages and disadvantges to this.
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Agree here too

However since the Tea Party is also about identity politics this limits their scope and abilities to a narrow field of populism.
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Umm, care to actually explain how the Tea Party is about identity politics or just want to throw things out there with no backing and have people assume its true?

And yeah, I think their goals are rather narrow at this point and are very much based on the current set of circumstances. Should they be successful in the short term, and by short term I mean the next decade, and successfully steer the Republican Party into being a legitimate conservatively principled party that seeks actively to fulfill its ideological principles and seeks to convince through facts why their way is the better way as a means to gain moderates rather than simply trying to water itself down then I believe that the Tea Party will essentially kill itself off as a movement. That said, that's not a bad thing. I believe when movements attempt to continue on after the point in which they affect real and legitimate change that is when you begin to get twisting and distorting of movements into something wholely different and generally more dishonest and questioanble.
 
liblady said:
ok. you got me. it's not a party. so what? which candidates backed by the tea party have a plan to fix anything? thanks.
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It's been answered several times. I'll try a different tact.
They're plan is to do the opposite of what Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the liberals have been doing the last 2 yrs.
#1 they have promised to listen to the people.
 
Zyphlin said:
Well, first it matters because words actually mean things. You and others don't get to make stupid and incorrect statements and then get pissy and defensive when your ignorant assertions are actually shown to be just that.

Second, it matters because people are making the ignorant assertion that the TEA party and the Republican Party are exactly alike and thus trying to suggest that the Tea Party is simply a republican snowjob in hopes of slandering both groupings based on nothing but false and incorrect statements. Which of course is why you're getting so defensive and angry over the fact that your ignorant assertions are being pointed out because it makes your attacks less useful.

Third, it matters because its hardly new and there should be some concistancy. There were nutjobs in the Anti-War movement as well that then went on to run as Democrats or Green Party or other left leaning parties as well. That didn't mean the Anti-War movement WAS the democratic party nor that the Anti-War Movement was exactly like the Democratic Party simply because they managed to get Anti-War Movement candidates into primaries or elections.

Do I think all the individuals the Tea Party supports are great candidates? Absolutely not. Here's the thing though, often times the other candidates they were going against weren't great either. Do I like McDonnel? Not really. But I don't like Castle either. However that doesn't acknowledge individuals like Rand Paul and others that I actually do think are good candidates that they're supporting as well. However the media tends to focus on the "nut jobs" rather than the low key "normal" candidates Tea Party members support because it makes for more sensationalism, more ratings, and helps fit the bull**** persona that they and liberals are trying deseperately to paint on the Tea party in hopes of continuing to belittle and degrade it through false information, misrepresentations, and gross over generalizations. You know, all the things you've been doing repeatedly throughout this and other threads.
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hold on there....i never said the tea party was just the republican party. and i'm not defensive, i've left that to you people. the fact that it matters to you whether it's a party or not seems weird to me. what's the difference?
 
liblady said:
hold on there....i never said the tea party was just the republican party. and i'm not defensive, i've left that to you people. the fact that it matters to you whether it's a party or not seems weird to me. what's the difference?
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You really want us to believe that about you? Seriously?


If it's a party, it needs a platform. canidates, etc. its no longer a movement of folks like the 30+ here who identify with the movement, that our "parties", representatives, etc are spending us into disaster.....

You know this, you choose to ignore it for something to attack.


Tell me are you for more government spending? less accountable representatives and higher taxes?


If you aren't why are you so hostile to us?
 
If she has been pushed aside, at least there's some hope for the people of this country. God she's a walking embarrassment to my gender. Her and O'Donnell both. *shudder*
 
liblady said:
oh, it's a fail to ask why tea party backed candidates can't come up with anything but slogans?
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The dems can't even come up with slogans this election. What is they are are running on again? Or I guess I should say, what are they running from? LOL
 
Barbbtx said:
The dems can't even come up with slogans this election. What is they are are running on again? Or I guess I should say, what are they running from? LOL
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very poor deflection. can't you answer?
 
liblady said:
the fact that it matters to you whether it's a party or not seems weird to me. what's the difference?
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Sorry, not wasting my time responding to you in full if you're not going to read. So I'll just requote until you actually take the time to do it.

Zyphlin said:
Well, first it matters because words actually mean things. You and others don't get to make stupid and incorrect statements and then get pissy and defensive when your ignorant assertions are actually shown to be just that.

Second, it matters because people are making the ignorant assertion that the TEA party and the Republican Party are exactly alike and thus trying to suggest that the Tea Party is simply a republican snowjob in hopes of slandering both groupings based on nothing but false and incorrect statements. Which of course is why you're getting so defensive and angry over the fact that your ignorant assertions are being pointed out because it makes your attacks less useful.

Third, it matters because its hardly new and there should be some concistancy. There were nutjobs in the Anti-War movement as well that then went on to run as Democrats or Green Party or other left leaning parties as well. That didn't mean the Anti-War movement WAS the democratic party nor that the Anti-War Movement was exactly like the Democratic Party simply because they managed to get Anti-War Movement candidates into primaries or elections.
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liblady said:
very poor deflection. can't you answer?
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They've promised to listen to the people and vote accordingly. If they keep that one promise, that's a good thing.
We have a Congress who voted for things that 70% of the people were against. That is not representation. That's "I know what's best for you, arrogance." and the people are sick of it.

That's why they are going to pay big time in 20 days.
 
Zyphlin said:
Sorry, not wasting my time responding to you in full if you're not going to read. So I'll just requote until you actually take the time to do it.
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got it. some people think the tea party and the republican party are exactly alike. and that perception changes when you call it a movement instead of a party. seriously. again, i think plenty of people realize the mainstream republicans don't really like the tea partiers.

as for consistency, i can assure you i no more think the tea partiers are a snow job than i thought code pink represented all dems. who has made the assertion that the tea party is a republican snowjob? btw, you are the one who seems angry. i'm just trying to understand why this is such a big deal to you.
 
Barbbtx said:
They've promised to listen to the people and vote accordingly. If they keep that one promise, that's a good thing.
We have a Congress who voted for things that 70% of the people were against. That is not representation. That's "I know what's best for you, arrogance." and the people are sick of it.

That's why they are going to pay big time in 20 days.
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see, that's the problem. for you, it's about revenge, not a plan. for me, it's about who can best govern and represent me. be careful what you wish for. there is no way we can curb spending enough, right now, so that we don't have to raise some taxes. pragmatic people recognize this. people who want your vote lie about it. not that i believe for one second that your tax status will be affected in any way.
 
liblady said:
got it. some people think the tea party and the republican party are exactly alike. and that perception changes when you call it a movement instead of a party. seriously. again, i think plenty of people realize the mainstream republicans don't really like the tea partiers.

as for consistency, i can assure you i no more think the tea partiers are a snow job than i thought code pink represented all dems. who has made the assertion that the tea party is a republican snowjob? btw, you are the one who seems angry. i'm just trying to understand why this is such a big deal to you.
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You know there is a search feature here.


liblady said:
do you guys get that everyone is not like the posters on this board? don't pretend that the tea party isn't made up, on the whole, of aging white people, who are not comfortable with a young black man leading our country. i'm not saying they are all racist, but surely some are.

and while you may understand the issues, i'll bet many of them absolutely don't. good lord, just look at some their signs.
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you said:
i seriously believe the tea movement is for the most racist. but that's just me.
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liblady said:
so.....what do you call close minded and group think republicans?

i'm curious why you don't mention what fringe elements of the right do.....including "tea partiers".......who have been seen with signs ranging from birther bull**** to outright racism, as well as cute little osama/obama comparisons.


so, while you use the term "leftwaffe".....others use the term "teabaggers" to describe right wingers who believe our president isn't a citizen, who think he's a socialist, and who attend tea parties. after all, most people who come together for a certain cause tend be involved in group think.

this works both ways.
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You can play dumb all you like, but your true motivation is just a search away.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You know there is a search feature here.















You can play dumb all you like, but your true motivation is just a search away.
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so.....what's your point? which statement of mine do you take issue with? and why are the above comments relevant to this thread? i don't like most of tea party backed candidates, so what? i think too many of them are no idea idiots. do you think sharron angle would be a good representative for you?
 
liblady said:
so.....what's your point? which statement of mine do you take issue with? and why are the above comments relevant to this thread? i don't like most of tea party backed candidates, so what? i think too many of them are no idea idiots. do you think sharron angle would be a good representative for you?
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oh i don't know, lets start with your lies about us being racist.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
oh i don't know, lets start with your lies about us being racist.
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some of you are racist. clearly. that is not a lie. i never said you were all racist. but again, what does that have to do with thread? and why didn't you answer MY question?
 
liblady said:
some of you are racist. clearly. that is not a lie. i never said you were all racist. but again, what does that have to do with thread? and why didn't you answer MY question?
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you said most. Stop lying.


John wayne gacey was a serial killing pedophile, if I constantly refered to the democratic party as serial killing pedophiles I think you'd be a little less cavilier about it, no?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
you said most. Stop lying.


John wayne gacey was a serial killing pedophile, if I constantly refered to the democratic party as serial killing pedophiles I think you'd be a little less cavilier about it, no?
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then i was wrong, and i apologize. i do, however, believe the "movement" attracts racists.
 
liblady said:
see, that's the problem. for you, it's about revenge, not a plan. for me, it's about who can best govern and represent me. be careful what you wish for. there is no way we can curb spending enough, right now, so that we don't have to raise some taxes. pragmatic people recognize this. people who want your vote lie about it. not that i believe for one second that your tax status will be affected in any way.
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It's about representation. The Dems have been a total failure at it.
Higher taxes will not have an effect on me. However, I happen to care about the country as a whole. I care about the next generation and the generation after that, even though I'll probably be long gone.
We are on the wrong path, but the Tea Party gives me reason to be optimistic about the future of the country.
 
Barbbtx said:
It's about representation. The Dems have been a total failure at it.
Higher taxes will not have an effect on me. However, I happen to care about the country as a whole. I care about the next generation and the generation after that, even though I'll probably be long gone.
We are on the wrong path, but the Tea Party gives me reason to be optimistic about the future of the country.
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And cutting taxes is going to do what for future generations?
 
winston53660 said:
And cutting taxes is going to do what for future generations?
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This is where you dishonestly take the movement out of context....


you cut taxes, reduce spending, future generations will be far better off than what the current situation has in store. but you knew that it was more than just "cutting taxes" heck its right here in this thread at LEAST three times.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
This is where you dishonestly take the movement out of context....


you cut taxes, reduce spending, future generations will be far better off than what the current situation has in store. but you knew that it was more than just "cutting taxes" heck its right here in this thread at LEAST three times.
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Okay where do we start slicing and dicing?
 
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