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Sarah Palin no longer the darling of her own Tea Party.

winston53660 said:
What are these elusive fundamentals? Does the Tea Party even have a platform?
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elusive?


again, dishonesty is not really the answer here. I know you have been in threads where I have outlined, lower taxes, smaller government, less spending, more accountable representatives.....


Why continue to play ignorant?
 
Zyphlin said:
As to Sarah Palin, this shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone that actually has kept up with this legitimately rather than simply listening to what the media and liberals on message boards say. Sarah Palin represents some of what the Tea Party is, she also has views that have nothing to do with the Tea Party and may turn some of the Tea Parties off. Finally, there is no singular candidate that can claim to be the "voice of the tea party" because that in and of itself attempts to put a singular defintive idenity and spokesperson upon a movement that is a combination of a large mixing of politically motivated individuals that happen to share common ground on a particular view. I would consider myself someone that holds to the notions of the Tea Party but Sarah Palin would be far from my first choice as a candidate to support for the Presidency.
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I'm afraid old friend, this will purposefully fall on deaf ears....
 
winston53660 said:
Why not just admit there is no tea party platform and the stuff is made up on the fly.
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because you don't get to define it. If what I have said about the tea party has changed from what I just posted. Point it out, or quit with the snotty attitude towards 30+ members here on dp who associate with the tea party and have told you the same thing.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
because you don't get to define it. If what I have said about the tea party has changed from what I just posted. Point it out, or quit with the snotty attitude towards 30+ members here on dp who associate with the tea party and have told you the same thing.
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rev, whichever party you align yourself with is fine with me. but just as people slam libs, reps, dems or conservatives on this board, we have the right to question tea partiers. your lean isn't sacred.
 
liblady said:
rev, whichever party you align yourself with is fine with me. but just as people slam libs, reps, dems or conservatives on this board, we have the right to question tea partiers. your lean isn't sacred.
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The tea party is a grass roots movement, that is sick and tired of unaccountable representatives, high taxes, out of control spending. It is not a "party". Sorry you fail.


:failpail:
 
Zyphlin said:
As to Sarah Palin, this shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone that actually has kept up with this legitimately rather than simply listening to what the media and liberals on message boards say. Sarah Palin represents some of what the Tea Party is, she also has views that have nothing to do with the Tea Party and may turn some of the Tea Parties off. Finally, there is no singular candidate that can claim to be the "voice of the tea party" because that in and of itself attempts to put a singular defintive idenity and spokesperson upon a movement that is a combination of a large mixing of politically motivated individuals that happen to share common ground on a particular view. I would consider myself someone that holds to the notions of the Tea Party but Sarah Palin would be far from my first choice as a candidate to support for the Presidency.
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The liberals are having a problem understanding the whole thing. They need a TARGET and when there are no real leaders to the TP, they get all confused.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
The tea party is a grass roots movement, that is sick and tired of unaccountable representatives, high taxes, out of control spending. It is not a "party". Sorry you fail.


:failpail:
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then why did you call it a tea party? silly, rev, just silly.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
because you don't get to define it.
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And what authority do you base this on?

If what I have said about the tea party has changed from what I just posted. Point it out, or quit with the snotty attitude towards 30+ members here on dp who associate with the tea party and have told you the same thing.
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If anyone is guilty of a snotty attitude......
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
When you chose to not be purposefully ignorant you let us know.
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again, what's the plan? it's fine to be against something, but what are you gonna do to FIX it? why can't your candidates articulate that?
 
I do so love when people continue to be ignorant, and by that I mean completely and fully in the literal sense of the word of being devoid of having factual information concerning a subject, and yet continue to spout off. Especially when a link is provided to a website that has not been "created on the fly" but has been hosted for some time, and prior to it hosting was used as a place for months where individuals could vote on which issues were most important to them. I also enjoy that not a single solitary person who is truly ignorant of what the Tea Party is and continue to act like it is an official POLITICAL PARTY have yet to show me in any way shape or form any official documentation showing that it is in any way a recognized national Political Party.

Perhaps people would actually be more open to questioning of their political MOVEMENT if people would actually choose to actively educate themselves instead of repeated and regurgitating ignorant statements over and over again even when facts and evidence is clearly and plainly laid out before them.
 
liblady said:
again, what's the plan? it's fine to be against something, but what are you gonna do to FIX it? why can't your candidates articulate that?
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:failpail:


You are going to need a bigger bucket. Seriously.


I could beat it into your head with a clue by four, but at this point, I don't think it would help.
 
liblady said:
then why did you call it a tea party? silly, rev, just silly.
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You do realize that there are other ways to use the word "party" other than political party yes?

"OMG! Those kids down the street are having a House Party"
"What?! You mean they're trying to push political candidates that are sarcastic vicoden addicted brilliant doctors?!"

or how about this

"What?! You lobbyists want me to help you push your bill? I just won't be a party to this"
"What are you talking about? We don't want you to become a political organization aimed at trying to get someone within their official grouping elected, we just want you to take a bribe in return for favors".

or beyond that perhaps

"Yes, I'd like a reservation for a party of six please"
"What's that? You're trying to reserve a table for a political organization aimed at nominating and electing individuals in an organized national way that are for the number 6"

I know its hard to fathom for some of you, but "party" does not just have one meaning.

The "T(axed) E(nough) A(already) Parties" initially were anti-tax and government spending protests that were using the acronym of TEA with the group denotion of "party" to give historical allusion to the founders in an effort to give imagery that suggested a simpiler time closer to that of the founding of the constitution which is what in theory the tea party movement was pushing for. As the movement grew the name simply stuck.
 
Zyphlin said:
I do so love when people continue to be ignorant, and by that I mean completely and fully in the literal sense of the word of being devoid of having factual information concerning a subject, and yet continue to spout off. Especially when a link is provided to a website that has not been "created on the fly" but has been hosted for some time, and prior to it hosting was used as a place for months where individuals could vote on which issues were most important to them. I also enjoy that not a single solitary person who is truly ignorant of what the Tea Party is and continue to act like it is an official POLITICAL PARTY have yet to show me in any way shape or form any official documentation showing that it is in any way a recognized national Political Party.

Perhaps people would actually be more open to questioning of their political MOVEMENT if people would actually choose to actively educate themselves instead of repeated and regurgitating ignorant statements over and over again even when facts and evidence is clearly and plainly laid out before them.
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whatever, call it a movement. why does that matter? the fact is, this movement has produced candidates. and those candidates don't seem to have a plan to change anything. do you seriously think sharonn angle is a good candidate? do you seriously think michelle bachmann is a good candidate? maybe if the face of your movement wasn't right wing whackjobs with ridiculous slogans like "mama grizzlies" people wouldn't be so skeptical.
 
Zyphlin said:
You do realize that there are other ways to use the word "party" other than political party yes?

"OMG! Those kids down the street are having a House Party"
"What?! You mean they're trying to push political candidates that are sarcastic vicoden addicted brilliant doctors?!"

or how about this

"What?! You lobbyists want me to help you push your bill? I just won't be a party to this"
"What are you talking about? We don't want you to become a political organization aimed at trying to get someone within their official grouping elected, we just want you to take a bribe in return for favors".

or beyond that perhaps

"Yes, I'd like a reservation for a party of six please"
"What's that? You're trying to reserve a table for a political organization aimed at nominating and electing individuals in an organized national way that are for the number 6"

I know its hard to fathom for some of you, but "party" does not just have one meaning.

The "T(axed) E(nough) A(already) Parties" initially were anti-tax and government spending protests that were using the acronym of TEA with the group denotion of "party" to give historical allusion to the founders in an effort to give imagery that suggested a simpiler time closer to that of the founding of the constitution which is what in theory the tea party movement was pushing for. As the movement grew the name simply stuck.
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okay, it's not a party, it's a movement that backs candidates who suck. why does that matter?
 
Zyphlin said:
I do so love when people continue to be ignorant, and by that I mean completely and fully in the literal sense of the word of being devoid of having factual information concerning a subject, and yet continue to spout off. Especially when a link is provided to a website that has not been "created on the fly" but has been hosted for some time, and prior to it hosting was used as a place for months where individuals could vote on which issues were most important to them. I also enjoy that not a single solitary person who is truly ignorant of what the Tea Party is and continue to act like it is an official POLITICAL PARTY have yet to show me in any way shape or form any official documentation showing that it is in any way a recognized national Political Party.

Perhaps people would actually be more open to questioning of their political MOVEMENT if people would actually choose to actively educate themselves instead of repeated and regurgitating ignorant statements over and over again even when facts and evidence is clearly and plainly laid out before them.
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Since the Tea Party is a movement not a party that makes them more malleable to current circumstance. When the wind blows in a certain direction they can adjust there sails. There are both advantages and disadvantges to this. However since the Tea Party is also about identity politics this limits their scope and abilities to a narrow field of populism.
 
Barbbtx said:
If it ever turns into a party, it will be the Tea Party Party....silly lib. :)
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ok. you got me. it's not a party. so what? which candidates backed by the tea party have a plan to fix anything? thanks.
 
winston53660 said:
Since the Tea Party is a movement not a party that makes them more malleable to current circumstance. When the wind blows in a certain direction they can adjust there sails. There are both advantages and disadvantges to this. However since the Tea Party is also about identity politics this limits their scope and abilities to a narrow field of populism.
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oh, they have an identity. it's too bad the intelligent people within that movement can't see that.
 
winston53660 said:
And what authority do you base this on?
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I base it on the idiocy you disguise as rational posts on the tea party. I base it on your seemingly obsessive need to define the tea party as something it's not in order to unintelligently smear folks you disagree with.




If anyone is guilty of a snotty attitude......
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Hey, I'm only treating you how you treat us. stop whining. :shrug:
 
liblady said:
whatever, call it a movement. why does that matter? the fact is, this movement has produced candidates. and those candidates don't seem to have a plan to change anything. do you seriously think sharonn angle is a good candidate? do you seriously think michelle bachmann is a good candidate? maybe if the face of your movement wasn't right wing whackjobs with ridiculous slogans like "mama grizzlies" people wouldn't be so skeptical.
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Well, first it matters because words actually mean things. You and others don't get to make stupid and incorrect statements and then get pissy and defensive when your ignorant assertions are actually shown to be just that.

Second, it matters because people are making the ignorant assertion that the TEA party and the Republican Party are exactly alike and thus trying to suggest that the Tea Party is simply a republican snowjob in hopes of slandering both groupings based on nothing but false and incorrect statements. Which of course is why you're getting so defensive and angry over the fact that your ignorant assertions are being pointed out because it makes your attacks less useful.

Third, it matters because its hardly new and there should be some concistancy. There were nutjobs in the Anti-War movement as well that then went on to run as Democrats or Green Party or other left leaning parties as well. That didn't mean the Anti-War movement WAS the democratic party nor that the Anti-War Movement was exactly like the Democratic Party simply because they managed to get Anti-War Movement candidates into primaries or elections.

Do I think all the individuals the Tea Party supports are great candidates? Absolutely not. Here's the thing though, often times the other candidates they were going against weren't great either. Do I like McDonnel? Not really. But I don't like Castle either. However that doesn't acknowledge individuals like Rand Paul and others that I actually do think are good candidates that they're supporting as well. However the media tends to focus on the "nut jobs" rather than the low key "normal" candidates Tea Party members support because it makes for more sensationalism, more ratings, and helps fit the bull**** persona that they and liberals are trying deseperately to paint on the Tea party in hopes of continuing to belittle and degrade it through false information, misrepresentations, and gross over generalizations. You know, all the things you've been doing repeatedly throughout this and other threads.
 
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