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So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

TurtleDude said:
no one who claims to be very conservative would ever want McCain in 2012 at this point.
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But every conservative voted for him two years ago. What's the problem now?
 
American said:
Was there another Conservative available to vote for?
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Yeah, about 8 of them. Have you ever heard of the primaries? Obviously most of us conservatives felt he was worthy. What are you going to try to say next, a true conservative wouldn't want Sarah Palin as vice president? You're sounding like a closet liberal.
 
McCain2012 said:
Yeah, about 8 of them. Have you ever heard of the primaries? Obviously most of us conservatives felt he was worthy. What are you going to try to say next, a true conservative wouldn't want Sarah Palin as vice president? You're sounding like a closet liberal.
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I had no control over the primaries.
 
pbrauer said:
The heart and soul of a conservative Republican. Pretty sad. :(
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If that's a conservative Republican, I'm a Playboy bunny.


And I'm not.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
If that's a conservative Republican, I'm a Playboy bunny.


And I'm not.
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Please, Ms. Playboy Bunny, enlighten me, which part of this statement isn't considered a contemporary conservative political ideology?

"Exactly. I don't care if this country goes to hell in a hand basket, or if the economy turns into Greece, the government doesn't have a right to my money. And don't give me that crap about cutting military spending, we need to cut welfare. I actually think military spending should be increased so we can go to Iran and North Korea and restore our combat mission in Iraq. Our tax dollars should go to setting these people free from their tyrannical regimes, not to providing housing and health care for Americans."
 
McCain2012 said:
But every conservative voted for him two years ago. What's the problem now?
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That is not accurate but that was when the only other choice was Obama

you aren't fooling anyone
 
Hugh_Akston said:
The Republicans attempted to rein in the large lending insitutions, but Barney Frank and Chris Dodd told us that there was nothing to worry about that Fannie and Freddie were in good shape. So in your mind, it was Bush who failed, not Barney and Dodd that did. Interesting....
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That's right wing rhetoric, but where is your proof that Barney Frank, Chris Dodd was the cause of the meltdown. Those two people are legislators, not regulators.

Here are the details about the meltdown:


Robert Weissman: Wall Street's Best Investment II: 12 Deregulatory Steps to Financial Meltdown

7. No predatory lending enforcement

Even in a deregulated environment, the banking regulators retained authority to crack down on predatory lending abuses. Such enforcement activity would have protected homeowners, and lessened though not prevented the current financial crisis. But the regulators sat on their hands. The Federal Reserve took three formal actions against subprime lenders from 2002 to 2007. The Office of Comptroller of the Currency, which has authority over almost 1,800 banks, took three consumer-protection enforcement actions from 2004 to 2006.

8. Federal preemption of state enforcement against predatory lending

When the states sought to fill the vacuum created by federal non-enforcement of consumer protection laws against predatory lenders, the Feds -- responding to commercial bank petitions -- jumped to attention to stop them. The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Office of Thrift Supervision each prohibited states from enforcing consumer protection rules against nationally chartered banks.
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McCain2012 said:
Please, Ms. Playboy Bunny, enlighten me, which part of this statement isn't considered a contemporary conservative political ideology?

"Exactly. I don't care if this country goes to hell in a hand basket, or if the economy turns into Greece, the government doesn't have a right to my money. And don't give me that crap about cutting military spending, we need to cut welfare. I actually think military spending should be increased so we can go to Iran and North Korea and restore our combat mission in Iraq. Our tax dollars should go to setting these people free from their tyrannical regimes, not to providing housing and health care for Americans."
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I do care if the country goes to hell in a hand basket (it is now). I do care if the economy turns into Greece (it is now). The government unfortunately does have a right to some of my money, but I disagree with how much they are taking and what they are spending it on. Going into Iran and/or N Korea is a horrible idea.
 
McCain2012 said:
Please, Ms. Playboy Bunny, enlighten me, which part of this statement isn't considered a contemporary conservative political ideology?

"Exactly. I don't care if this country goes to hell in a hand basket, or if the economy turns into Greece, the government doesn't have a right to my money. And don't give me that crap about cutting military spending, we need to cut welfare. I actually think military spending should be increased so we can go to Iran and North Korea and restore our combat mission in Iraq. Our tax dollars should go to setting these people free from their tyrannical regimes, not to providing housing and health care for Americans."
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I don't know why anyone would continue to play your game. You don't even play a conservative well because you really don't know what conservatives stand for but, like all liberals, love to stereotype with a liberal spin.
 
Hugh_Akston said:
I do care if the country goes to hell in a hand basket (it is now). I do care if the economy turns into Greece (it is now).
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I don't think you understand what I'm saying, spending isn't going to stop. Democrats spend and Republicans spend. No Republican or Democrat senator has expressed sentiments in cutting spending for their personal projects for their states. No Dem has expressed interest in cutting welfare and no Republican has expressed interest in cutting defense spending. We can't keep spending and keep taxes low. But if taking away the Bush tax cuts would help alleviate these things you'd rather have that? I wouldn't. I want more of my money in my hands and I don't care if that means the country is going to turn into Greece. That's a true conservative position.

Hugh_Akston said:
The government unfortunately does have a right to some of my money, but I disagree with how much they are taking and what they are spending it on. Going into Iran and/or N Korea is a horrible idea.
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Don't you know that Iran is on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon, if they already haven't? There is much more credible information that Iran is holding nukes and sporing terrorist than there ever was that Saddam was doing these things. Don't even get me started on the North Korea, who already have nukes and who have already sunk a South Korean ship. Do you really want another 9/11? And with Obama in office and being so soft on Middle Eastern issues and so sympathetic to Muslims, you don't think terrorist will take his kindness for weakness and strike us while they have the opportunity?
 
pbrauer said:
That's right wing rhetoric, but where is your proof that Barney Frank, Chris Dodd was the cause of the meltdown. Those two people are legislators, not regulators.

Here are the details about the meltdown:


Robert Weissman: Wall Street's Best Investment II: 12 Deregulatory Steps to Financial Meltdown
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It's not "right wing rhetoric" at all, it's a fact.

YouTube - McCain's Early Recognition of Fannie/Freddie Crisis

If Fox News isn't a viable source for you (and I can understand because it shows the facts in this case), maybe you would like to see the actual hearing itself where Barney held it up.

Housing Finance Regulation - C-SPAN Video Library

You can skip forward to the 51:50 mark to find some of the juicy stuff
 
Conservative said:
The Reagan Results speak for themselves, 17 million jobs created, double the GDP, double revenue to the federal govt. with a 25% tax cut. that led to the biggest landslide in American political history. Reagan implemented a pro growth, pro business, pro American consumer economic policy. Obama has done the exact opposite. We shall see if Obama can generate the same results in the next two years and it appears he will have to do it with a GOP Majority in the House and maybe the Senate. It does seem that the American voters are not as enthralled with Obama as some here seem to be.
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That's freakin' great... But if you're honest with yourself, then you'd realize that what you're talking about is the fact that Reagan did much better LATER and NOT AT THIS POINT IN HIS CAREER.

If you people were around then (and I'm sure you were), you'd realize that if people would've responded to him THEN the way they're responding to Obama now, they'd have thrown him out of office in 1984. You're only proving my point further.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
That's freakin' great... But if you're honest with yourself, then you'd realize that what you're talking about is the fact that Reagan did much better LATER and NOT AT THIS POINT IN HIS CAREER.

If you people were around then (and I'm sure you were), you'd realize that if people would've responded to him THEN the way they're responding to Obama now, they'd have thrown him out of office in 1984. You're only proving my point further.
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Let's be honest though. The dems put up Walter freakin' Mondale against him. It wasn't much of an effort on their part to actually take the White House away from Reagan.

Reagan was also lowering taxes, wasn't passing massive spending bills, wasn't trampling all over the Constitution (i.e. HC Bill) and wasn't increasing the national debt by 3 trillion dollars. Reagan had a tough first term, but he set the stage for the economic rebound in his second term. While I see the comparison you are making, we're talking about an apple versus a raisin.
 
Hugh_Akston said:
It's not "right wing rhetoric" at all, it's a fact.

YouTube - McCain's Early Recognition of Fannie/Freddie Crisis

If Fox News isn't a viable source for you (and I can understand because it shows the facts in this case), maybe you would like to see the actual hearing itself where Barney held it up.

Housing Finance Regulation - C-SPAN Video Library

You can skip forward to the 51:50 mark to find some of the juicy stuff
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The Fox video is typical Fox News ("we report, you decide") bull****. Yeah John McCain was a sponsor of the bill that was written the year before in 2005. He was the third of of three sponsors. :lamo Plus this happened in 2006 while the Republicans had complete control of congress - the Dems won in November of that year. Also, Barney Frank appears to be taken out of context because the dissusion on the C-Span video doesn't seem match. Fox News -> :liar2

S.190: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress
 
Desert Beacon: The Ultimate Fish Story: John McCain, Deregulation, and the Reform of Fannie and Freddie

Senator McCain's supporters have made much of his co-sponsorship of S. 190, an attempt to reform Fannie and Freddie during the 109th Congress. However, it may well be worth remembering that this was initially Senator Charles Hagel's bill, and secondly that its provisions met with significant opposition from conservative quarters. The real “maverick” in this tale certainly could be the Man Not Running, Senator Charles Hagel (R-NE). Neither have the other two co-sponsors assumed the Maverick Label – Senators Dole and Sununu.

Senator McCain signed on as co-sponsor of Hagel's Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, urging its quick passage, [GovTrak] and this vocal support appears to be the totality of his exertions. S.190 promptly ran into controversies over policy differences between the House version (H.R. 1461, 109th) and the Senate edition in terms of housing requirements, portfolio limits, and program/product approval. [NAHB] From the National Association of Home Builder's perspective S. 190 had some serious flaws: “In contrast, (to the House version) the Senate bill, S. 190, contained many restrictive provisions that could harm the nation’s housing finance system, including: restrictions on asset holdings, discretion to raise minimum capital, burdensome program approval process, and a regulatory structure tilted away from housing. In addition, S. 190 did not require Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to set aside monies to fund affordable housing initiatives, as provided in the House-passed bill.” [NAHB] S. 190 died quietly in the Republican controlled Senate Banking Committee at the end of the 109th Congress. The stronger of the two pieces of legislation, H.R. 1461, didn't draw rave reviews either.
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FilmFestGuy said:
That's freakin' great... But if you're honest with yourself, then you'd realize that what you're talking about is the fact that Reagan did much better LATER and NOT AT THIS POINT IN HIS CAREER.

If you people were around then (and I'm sure you were), you'd realize that if people would've responded to him THEN the way they're responding to Obama now, they'd have thrown him out of office in 1984. You're only proving my point further.
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That is exactly right, he did better later because of the economic policy he implemented, the exact opposite of Obama's. That is what Obama want to ignore, the economic policy Obama implemented.
 
j-mac said:
And progressives tout that as an achievement or what? Good job.

Someday "Progressives" will be fully unmasked for the killers of freedom they are.

j-mac
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Or others will be unmasked for the partisan tools they are. :sigh:
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't live in Florida. But I'm OK with it. What did you think of Reid winnning?
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I thought it was typical insantiy, 14.4% unemployment and they re-elect the Senate Majority leader who helped implement the policies that led to that high unemployment. That is the definition of insanity. The people of Nevada deserve everything they get.

This is how Reid won


LAS VEGAS — A lawyer for Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle has filed a complaint with the Justice Department alleging illegal voter intimidation on behalf of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's campaign.

The complaint is based on an article, which appeared Tuesday morning in National Review, that alleged Reid's campaign worked with sympathetic executives to put pressure on union casino employees to vote.

Supervisors were instructed to track down employees who hadn't voted and find out why, according to e-mails obtained by reporter and conservative blogger Elizabeth Crum.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/44575.html#ixzz14ELKaH43
 
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Conservative said:
I thought it was typical insantiy, 14.4% unemployment and they re-elect the Senate Majority leader who helped implement the policies that led to that high unemployment. That is the definition of insanity. The people of Nevada deserve everything they get.
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The problems started before democrats had control. And as Obam has been in office only two years, it may well be his efforts that will lead the recovery (or more accurately, time will go by and this will pass, people will take credit on both sides who really did nothing to deserve it).

But, the nutter didn't win. Neither the witch or the really nutter guy in NY. That helps a bit.
 
j-mac said:
And progressives tout that as an achievement or what? Good job.



Someday "Progressives" will be fully unmasked for the killers of freedom they are.

j-mac
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You've got to be kidding, what does this stupid video prove?
 
pbrauer said:
You've got to be kidding, what does this stupid video prove?
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Hey, pbrauer, how is that hope and change working out for you, a Republican leading in Oregon for Governor? Getting the message yet?
 
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