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So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

BTW, your question might be changed to ask what do we mean by cost:

But today, as the United States ends combat in Iraq, it appears that our $3 trillion estimate (which accounted for both government expenses and the war's broader impact on the U.S. economy) was, if anything, too low. For example, the cost of diagnosing, treating and compensating disabled veterans has proved higher than we expected.

The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, then we can throw money away for nothing at will then.

COSTOFWAR.COM - The Cost of War
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I believe I said the cost of the Iraq War was over 700 billion dollars in almost 8 years and the Obama war of choice is 340 billion dollars. Afghanistan war began in 2001, the Iraq War began in 2003. You claimed it was a huge part of the debt and I proved that wrong.
 
Conservative said:
I believe I said the cost of the Iraq War was over 700 billion dollars in almost 8 years and the Obama war of choice is 340 billion dollars. Afghanistan war began in 2001, the Iraq War began in 2003. You claimed it was a huge part of the debt and I proved that wrong.
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No you didn't. keep reading. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
BTW, your question might be changed to ask what do we mean by cost:

But today, as the United States ends combat in Iraq, it appears that our $3 trillion estimate (which accounted for both government expenses and the war's broader impact on the U.S. economy) was, if anything, too low. For example, the cost of diagnosing, treating and compensating disabled veterans has proved higher than we expected.

The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond
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Exactly, you must take into account all the ancillary costs of the war which are huge.
 
Boo Radley said:
No you didn't. keep reading. ;)
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I prefer reading what the checkbook of the United States says and thus the actual dollars that the Federal taxpayer will spend. Obviously talking about the war in Iraq allows you to divert from the economic disaster we have with this Administration. Carry on!
 
pbrauer said:
Exactly, you must take into account all the ancillary costs of the war which are huge.
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Just like with all liberal predictions they are distorted and most downright lies. You haven't proven that the war will cost 3 trillion dollars, only speculation because that is what you want to believe. Actual numbers really matter, not liberal predictions which never seem to be right.
 
Conservative said:
What liberals/progressives have a problem with is the "will of the people" to keep more of their own money and the passion they have for picking the winners and losers. All that so called compassionate rhetoric that has done nothing but create dependence and that is what continues to drive progressives today, the desire for power.
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Thank you, you state the case much better than I do. They want to criticize us for spending money to free the Iraqis but they spend money to give poor Americans health insurance and housing. If anything, I think it should be the other way around. I would have rather had pay deductions coming directly from my check to fund Operation Iraqi Freedom, and if Dems really want to help poor people so bad they should be the ones having to borrow the money.
 
McCain2012 said:
Thank you, you state the case much better than I do. They want to criticize us for spending money to free the Iraqis but they spend money to give poor Americans health insurance and housing. If anything, I think it should be the other way around. I would have rather had pay deductions coming directly from my check to fund Operation Iraqi Freedom, and if Dems really want to help poor people so bad they should be the ones having to borrow the money.
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Do you believe that healthcare insurance is a civil right that should be funded by Federal Tax dollars? Or should healthcare be a state and local issue to handle?
 
Conservative said:
Do you believe that healthcare insurance is a civil right that should be funded by Federal Tax dollars? Or should healthcare be a state and local issue to handle?
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Well that depends, do you mean Medicaid? Because if so, no. I think it should be a state issue but I don't want any of my money used to help people, except citizens who live under tyrannical governments and who need our military assistance. As for here at home though, if some woman has a bunch of babies and she can't afford to get them private health insurance, is it my responsibility to pay for the child's insurance? Heck no.
 
McCain2012 said:
Well that depends, do you mean Medicaid? Because if so, no. I think it should be a state issue but I don't want any of my money used to help people, except citizens who live under tyrannical governments and who need our military assistance. As for here at home though, if some woman has a bunch of babies and she can't afford to get them private health insurance, is it my responsibility to pay for the child's insurance? Heck no.
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you don't seem to have a grasp as to the difference between Medicare and Medicaid.
 
Conservative said:
I prefer reading what the checkbook of the United States says and thus the actual dollars that the Federal taxpayer will spend. Obviously talking about the war in Iraq allows you to divert from the economic disaster we have with this Administration. Carry on!
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That check book is also paying for the war's broader impact on the U.S. economy. That's just a fact.
 
Boo Radley said:
That check book is also paying for the war's broader impact on the U.S. economy. That's just a fact.
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Just like it is a fact that OBama has added 3 trillion to the debt and 4 million more unemployed. It is further a fact that we are still in Iraq, Afghanistan, and GITMO is still open. Congratulations, you bought the Obama lies.
 
Conservative said:
Just like it is a fact that OBama has added 3 trillion to the debt and 4 million more unemployed. It is further a fact that we are still in Iraq, Afghanistan, and GITMO is still open. Congratulations, you bought the Obama lies.
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Obama laid off people? When?

And you support just pulling out of both Afghanistan and Iraq today, no gradual draw down? Glad to hear it. Now call your congress person as I have (with the except of no gradual drawdown, as I think that would be reckless and dangerous), and stand up for that conviction. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
Obama laid off people? When?

And you support just pulling out of both Afghanistan and Iraq today, no gradual draw down? Glad to hear it. Now call your congress person as I have (with the except of no gradual drawdown, as I think that would be reckless and dangerous), and stand up for that conviction. ;)
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LOL, just quoting Obama promises which don't seem to mean much to you. Stimulus was supposed to cap unemployment at 8%, Obama promised to close GITMO, Obama promised to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama promised to get Bin Laden. Yes, Obama lies and the economy dies as does liberalism.
 
Conservative said:
LOL, just quoting Obama promises which don't seem to mean much to you. Stimulus was supposed to cap unemployment at 8%, Obama promised to close GITMO, Obama promised to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama promised to get Bin Laden. Yes, Obama lies and the economy dies as does liberalism.
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funny how some people didn't seem to mind when iraq turned out to be something less than flowers and candy. and you gave him 7 years, although the mission was accomplished quite some time ago, no?

so the recovery is taking longer than expected, so what? we ARE recovering. it took awhile for us to get into this position, it's going to take awhile to get out. as for the rest of it? meh.....he's a politician.
 
liblady said:
funny how some people didn't seem to mind when iraq turned out to be something less than flowers and candy. and you gave him 7 years, although the mission was accomplished quite some time ago, no?

so the recovery is taking longer than expected, so what? we ARE recovering. it took awhile for us to get into this position, it's going to take awhile to get out. as for the rest of it? meh.....he's a politician.
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Are we recovering? Where are the jobs? Over one year after the recession ended there are more unemployed today on a month to month basis than last year. 3 trillion has been added to the debt so tell me how things are getting better and at what cost?
 
Conservative said:
LOL, just quoting Obama promises which don't seem to mean much to you. Stimulus was supposed to cap unemployment at 8%, Obama promised to close GITMO, Obama promised to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama promised to get Bin Laden. Yes, Obama lies and the economy dies as does liberalism.
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No, promises don't mean much to me. Nor do I believe any president controls the economy. But you didn't answer questions:

Obama laid off people? When?

And you support just pulling out of both Afghanistan and Iraq today, no gradual draw down? Glad to hear it. Now call your congress person as I have (with the except of no gradual drawdown, as I think that would be reckless and dangerous), and stand up for that conviction. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
No, promises don't mean much to me. Nor do I believe any president controls the economy. But you didn't answer questions:

Obama laid off people? When?

And you support just pulling out of both Afghanistan and Iraq today, no gradual draw down? Glad to hear it. Now call your congress person as I have (with the except of no gradual drawdown, as I think that would be reckless and dangerous), and stand up for that conviction. ;)
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Boo, you really have lost it. When you get it back and are able to recognize reality I will be here. Until then it serves no purpose to point out facts to you. Only the truly naive ignore the affect the President's economic policy has on, who would have thought it, the economy. No President controls the economy? Guess that is only true when a Democrat is in office because all I hear here is how Bush drove the car into the ditch and destroyed the economy. As usual liberals like you want it both ways.
 
Conservative said:
Boo, you really have lost it. When you get it back and are able to recognize reality I will be here. Until then it serves no purpose to point out facts to you. Only the truly naive ignore the affect the President's economic policy has on, who would have thought it, the economy. No President controls the economy? Guess that is only true when a Democrat is in office because all I hear here is how Bush drove the car into the ditch and destroyed the economy. As usual liberals like you want it both ways.
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Pay attention and answer the person you're talking to. Not others. Show me what Obama did to add to the unemployed. Did he lay people off? Forced employers to lay people off? If you believe government is the answer, show me how.
 
Boo Radley said:
Pay attention and answer the person you're talking to. Not others. Show me what Obama did to add to the unemployed. Did he lay people off? Forced employers to lay people off? If you believe government is the answer, show me how.
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Obama has passed health policies that are bad for our country including restrictions on private health insurance companies from prohibiting sick little children from receiving health insurance under "preexisting conditions", prohibiting health insurance companies from dropping Americans from their policies if they receive life threatening diseases like cancer, prohibiting credit card companies from raising our interest rates without letting us know, and putting regulations back into the mortgage loan business that "supposedly" crippled our economy. All of these things are bad for Americans and have done nothing to improve our livelihoods.
 
Boo Radley said:
Pay attention and answer the person you're talking to. Not others. Show me what Obama did to add to the unemployed. Did he lay people off? Forced employers to lay people off? If you believe government is the answer, show me how.
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Failed to give business the confidence needed to hire new employees. Obamacare, expiration of the Bush tax cuts, bailouts of democrat stimulus groups, and massive expansion of the Federal govt. and their control including all the Czars.
 
McCain2012 said:
Obama has passed health policies that are bad for our country including restrictions on private health insurance companies from prohibiting sick little children from receiving health insurance under "preexisting conditions", prohibiting health insurance companies from dropping Americans from their policies if they receive life threatening diseases like cancer, prohibiting credit card companies from raising our interest rates without letting us know, and putting regulations back into the mortgage loan business that "supposedly" crippled our economy. All of these things are bad for Americans and have done nothing to improve our livelihoods.
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Don't forget that Republicans want seniors to die, the air to be polluted, and children to starve. Obama and you seem to have a very different understanding as to the role of govt. Your style of govt. has failed everywhere and is being rolled back. Now you want that liberal arrogance to surface here. Looks to me like the people are rejecting it.
 
Boo Radley said:
Pay attention and answer the person you're talking to. Not others. Show me what Obama did to add to the unemployed. Did he lay people off? Forced employers to lay people off? If you believe government is the answer, show me how.
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And as for my government, we know that tax cuts is the answer to fixing the economy. Look at the tax cuts during the Bush term and how they effected the economy. Figures from bea.gov and the U.S. Treasurey department show that from 2003-2007, about half of Bushes term, there was an increase in tax revenue and job creation. The rest of his presidency doesn't matter because it wasn't his fault. The deficit increasing to "historic" levels was because we spent money on Operation Iraqi Freedom while the thieving democrats were only concerned with providing health care and housing for Americans. And the fact that the tax revenue in relation to GPD never increased, is not even a reflection of the economy was doing and is only typical liberal rhetoric. Look at the facts instead of believing liberal rhetoric and talking points.
 
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McCain2012 said:
And as for my government, we know that tax cuts is the answer to fixing the economy. Look at the tax cuts during the Bush term and how they effected the economy. Figures from bea.gov and the U.S. Treasurey department show that from 2003-2007, about half of Bushes term, there was an increase in tax revenue and job creation. The rest of his presidency doesn't matter because it wasn't his fault. The deficit increasing to "historic" levels was because we spent money on Operation Iraqi Freedom while the thieving democrats were only concerned with providing health care and housing for Americans. And the fact that the tax revenue in relation to GPD never increased, is not even a reflection of the economy was doing and is only typical liberal rhetoric. Look at the facts instead of believing liberal rhetoric and talking points.
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What was your alias before today?
 
Conservative said:
Failed to give business the confidence needed to hire new employees. Obamacare, expiration of the Bush tax cuts, bailouts of democrat stimulus groups, and massive expansion of the Federal govt. and their control including all the Czars.
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I don't buy that, but at least it is an attempt to answer the question. Business has done well no matter government has done, and done poorly despite all efforts to help. Government is not the answer.
 
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