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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Samboni View Post
    This quote is a bit off the mark with regard to Iraq\Saddam. We were dealing with an aggressor, first. As for dealing with aggressors, the methods of Neville Chamberlain have already proven to be ineffective.

    Even Al Gore (in 1992 -- post Gulf War I) thought GHWB was a little too limp wristed in his handling of Saddam: YouTube - Gore criticizes Bush for ignoring Iraq's ties to terrorism

    And let's not forget Saddam's 12 years of dodging UN sanctions and inspection teams. Toward the end of this time, Hans Blix lamented that what Saddam had disclosed could be just the "tip of the iceberg" as far as WMD's go.

    Finally, David Kay, the chief weapons inspector in Iraq in 2003, says that Saddam was simply biding his time until the UN went away. He says Iraq was "far more dangerous" before the US-led coalition invaded in 2003 than after.

    YouTube vid: YouTube - David Kay - Iraq weapons inspector discusses WMD's
    I agree. Don't listen to the textbook, you know liberals control the universities anyway. So what that there wasn't any WMDs or connections with Alqaeda, Saddam Hussein was a threat and he needed to be dealt with. Liberals want to say the war was a big mess and only made the country worse, but you know what? I sure feel a hell of a lot safer knowing that there are 600,000 dead Iraqi terrorist thanks to the work of our brave soldiers. Now we should hit Iran and North Korea before they hit us.
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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    I agree. Don't listen to the textbook, you know liberals control the universities anyway. So what that there wasn't any WMDs or connections with Alqaeda, Saddam Hussein was a threat and he needed to be dealt with. Liberals want to say the war was a big mess and only made the country worse, but you know what? I sure feel a hell of a lot safer knowing that there are 600,000 dead Iraqi terrorist thanks to the work of our brave soldiers. Now we should hit Iran and North Korea before they hit us.
    So you didn't listen to David Kay's testimony with regard to Saddam? What about 374 members of Congress, 3 US presidents and dozens of foreign leaders?

    As far as your claim that we should "hit Iran and North Korea before they hit us," what's your justification for that?

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Samboni View Post
    This quote is a bit off the mark with regard to Iraq\Saddam. We were dealing with an aggressor, first. As for dealing with aggressors, the methods of Neville Chamberlain have already proven to be ineffective.

    Even Al Gore (in 1992 -- post Gulf War I) thought GHWB was a little too limp wristed in his handling of Saddam: YouTube - Gore criticizes Bush for ignoring Iraq's ties to terrorism

    And let's not forget Saddam's 12 years of dodging UN sanctions and inspection teams. Toward the end of this time, Hans Blix lamented that what Saddam had disclosed could be just the "tip of the iceberg" as far as WMD's go.

    Finally, David Kay, the chief weapons inspector in Iraq in 2003, says that Saddam was simply biding his time until the UN went away. He says Iraq was "far more dangerous" before the US-led coalition invaded in 2003 than after.

    YouTube vid: YouTube - David Kay - Iraq weapons inspector discusses WMD's
    Saddam was not actively agressive in 2003. And Kay has said other things, like he was wrong and that Saddam was mostly trying to bluff Iran into thinking he was a tiger when he wasn't.

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Saddam was not actively agressive in 2003. And Kay has said other things, like he was wrong and that Saddam was mostly trying to bluff Iran into thinking he was a tiger when he wasn't.
    You mean the David Kay that made these headlines

    Kay on Today: "It Was Absolutely Prudent to Go to War Against Saddam"

    The Today Show

    Kay on Today: "It Was Absolutely Prudent to Go to War Against Saddam" (Remarkable New Info)
    Complete interview

    Kay: "It wasn't only the US who came to that conclusion. The French, Germans, and UN all thought Saddam had WMDs." It was inaccurate in terms of the reality we found on the ground now, but it was accurate in terms of the intelligence at the time.

    "It was also accurate in the sense that Saddam did spend large sums of money trying to get WMDs but he simply didn't get what he paid for. There was lots of corruption in the Iraq WMD development program."

    Kay: "It was absolutely prudent to go to war. The system was collapsing, Iraq was a country with desire to develop WMDs, and it was attracting terrorists like flies to honey."
    Kay also said despite no evidence of weapons stockpiles, Iraqi documents, physical evidence and interviews with Iraqi scientists revealed that Iraq was engaged in weapons programs prohibited by U.N. resolutions

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You mean the David Kay that made these headlines

    Kay on Today: "It Was Absolutely Prudent to Go to War Against Saddam"

    The Today Show

    Kay on Today: "It Was Absolutely Prudent to Go to War Against Saddam" (Remarkable New Info)
    Complete interview

    Kay: "It wasn't only the US who came to that conclusion. The French, Germans, and UN all thought Saddam had WMDs." It was inaccurate in terms of the reality we found on the ground now, but it was accurate in terms of the intelligence at the time.

    "It was also accurate in the sense that Saddam did spend large sums of money trying to get WMDs but he simply didn't get what he paid for. There was lots of corruption in the Iraq WMD development program."

    Kay: "It was absolutely prudent to go to war. The system was collapsing, Iraq was a country with desire to develop WMDs, and it was attracting terrorists like flies to honey."
    Kay also said despite no evidence of weapons stockpiles, Iraqi documents, physical evidence and interviews with Iraqi scientists revealed that Iraq was engaged in weapons programs prohibited by U.N. resolutions
    No. That's Kay's personal opinion. I try to focus on fact over opinion:

    Two days after resigning as the Bush administration's top weapons inspector in Iraq, David Kay said Sunday that his group found no evidence Iraq had stockpiled unconventional weapons before the U.S.-led invasion in March.

    Kay: No evidence Iraq stockpiled WMDs - CNN

    He said at the time that he did not believe there had been large-scale production of chemical or biological weapons in Iraq since the end of the first Gulf War in 1991.

    BBC NEWS | Middle East | US expert slams WMD 'delusions'

    Here's his lede:

    Saddam Hussein told an FBI interviewer before he was hanged that he allowed the world to believe he had weapons of mass destruction because he was worried about appearing weak to Iran, according to declassified accounts of the interviews released yesterday. The former Iraqi president also denounced Osama bin Laden as "a zealot" and said he had no dealings with al-Qaeda.

    Iraq, Iran and how the Neocons failed (Part I) | Capital J | JTA - Jewish & Israel News

    Kay's expertise is not in political judgments. And it wasn't Kay who use the intel inappropriately. That was the Bush administration.

    The former CIA official who coordinated U.S. intelligence on the Middle East until last year has accused the Bush administration of "cherry-picking" intelligence on Iraq to justify a decision it had already reached to go to war, and of ignoring warnings that the country could easily fall into violence and chaos after an invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

    Ex-CIA Official Faults Use of Data on Iraq - washingtonpost.com

    The Pentagon's acting inspector general, Thomas Gimble, told the senate armed services committee that the office headed by Douglas Feith, formerly the number three man at the defence department, took "inappropriate" actions in pushing the al-Qaida connection not backed up by America's intelligence agencies.

    Pentagon report condemns misleading Iraq intelligence | World news | guardian.co.uk

    These allegations are supported by an annex to the first part of Senate Intelligence Committee's Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq published in July 2004. The review, which was highly critical of the CIA's Iraq intelligence generally but found its judgments were right on the Iraq-al Qaeda relationship, suggests that the OSP, if connected to an "Iraqi intelligence cell" also headed by Douglas Feith which is described in the annex, sought to discredit and cast doubt on CIA analysis in an effort to establish a connection between Saddam Hussein and terrorism. In one instance, in response to a cautious CIA report, "Iraq and al-Qa'eda: A Murky Relationship", the annex relates that "one of the individuals working for the [intelligence cell led by Feith] stated that the June [2002] report, '...should be read for content only - and CIA's interpretation ought to be ignored.'"[5]

    Office of Special Plans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. That's Kay's personal opinion. I try to focus on fact over opinion:

    Two days after resigning as the Bush administration's top weapons inspector in Iraq, David Kay said Sunday that his group found no evidence Iraq had stockpiled unconventional weapons before the U.S.-led invasion in March.

    Kay: No evidence Iraq stockpiled WMDs - CNN

    He said at the time that he did not believe there had been large-scale production of chemical or biological weapons in Iraq since the end of the first Gulf War in 1991.

    BBC NEWS | Middle East | US expert slams WMD 'delusions'

    Here's his lede:

    Saddam Hussein told an FBI interviewer before he was hanged that he allowed the world to believe he had weapons of mass destruction because he was worried about appearing weak to Iran, according to declassified accounts of the interviews released yesterday. The former Iraqi president also denounced Osama bin Laden as "a zealot" and said he had no dealings with al-Qaeda.

    Iraq, Iran and how the Neocons failed (Part I) | Capital J | JTA - Jewish & Israel News

    Kay's expertise is not in political judgments. And it wasn't Kay who use the intel inappropriately. That was the Bush administration.

    The former CIA official who coordinated U.S. intelligence on the Middle East until last year has accused the Bush administration of "cherry-picking" intelligence on Iraq to justify a decision it had already reached to go to war, and of ignoring warnings that the country could easily fall into violence and chaos after an invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

    Ex-CIA Official Faults Use of Data on Iraq - washingtonpost.com

    The Pentagon's acting inspector general, Thomas Gimble, told the senate armed services committee that the office headed by Douglas Feith, formerly the number three man at the defence department, took "inappropriate" actions in pushing the al-Qaida connection not backed up by America's intelligence agencies.

    Pentagon report condemns misleading Iraq intelligence | World news | guardian.co.uk

    These allegations are supported by an annex to the first part of Senate Intelligence Committee's Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq published in July 2004. The review, which was highly critical of the CIA's Iraq intelligence generally but found its judgments were right on the Iraq-al Qaeda relationship, suggests that the OSP, if connected to an "Iraqi intelligence cell" also headed by Douglas Feith which is described in the annex, sought to discredit and cast doubt on CIA analysis in an effort to establish a connection between Saddam Hussein and terrorism. In one instance, in response to a cautious CIA report, "Iraq and al-Qa'eda: A Murky Relationship", the annex relates that "one of the individuals working for the [intelligence cell led by Feith] stated that the June [2002] report, '...should be read for content only - and CIA's interpretation ought to be ignored.'"[5]

    Office of Special Plans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I know this is really hard for you to understand, but there were people on both sides that supported the war and it was Democrats that allowed the vote to proceed then supported the resolution. I can post quote after quote and you can counter with other negative quotes but none serve any purpose today.

    You can continue to play this out over and over again but here we are almost 8 years after that resolution passed and you are still reliving the reasons to go to war. that does nothing but divert from what we have in the WH right now and the direction this country is headed. Obama record speaks for itself and it is that record that is on display. The choice is clear, continue on the course of massive spending, massive expansion of the govt. and unsustainable debt or we can reverse course and repeal some of that spending. We can cut taxes to spur economic growth and create jobs or we can continue to whine about the past 8 years and make things worse. It is obvious to me what your choice is.

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Our tax rates are lower now than the last 50 or 60 years, and the economy sucks. How will making them lower change that?
    The current mess needs JOBS, not tax cuts....
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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Our tax rates are lower now than the last 50 or 60 years, and the economy sucks. How will making them lower change that?
    The current mess needs JOBS, not tax cuts....
    Making them lower gives the American people more spending money to offset the cost of the Obama agenda. I have no problem with anyone including you keeping more of what you earn. My question to you is why are "progressives" so passionate about NOT allowing the taxpayer to keep more of their own money? That is the question that no one wants to answer.

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Making them lower gives the American people more spending money to offset the cost of the Obama agenda. I have no problem with anyone including you keeping more of what you earn. My question to you is why are "progressives" so passionate about NOT allowing the taxpayer to keep more of their own money? That is the question that no one wants to answer.

    So we should just go to 0 taxes, LOL

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I know this is really hard for you to understand, but there were people on both sides that supported the war and it was Democrats that allowed the vote to proceed then supported the resolution. I can post quote after quote and you can counter with other negative quotes but none serve any purpose today.

    You can continue to play this out over and over again but here we are almost 8 years after that resolution passed and you are still reliving the reasons to go to war. that does nothing but divert from what we have in the WH right now and the direction this country is headed. Obama record speaks for itself and it is that record that is on display. The choice is clear, continue on the course of massive spending, massive expansion of the govt. and unsustainable debt or we can reverse course and repeal some of that spending. We can cut taxes to spur economic growth and create jobs or we can continue to whine about the past 8 years and make things worse. It is obvious to me what your choice is.
    The resolution was for Bush to make the decision and not a declaration of war. Passng the buck is not really a courageous act IMHO. That said, when you quote, provide the context (as snoopes does), and note that Kerry, for example, stated clearly in hsi vote that if the president went ahead without the UN, as Saddam did not reach that level of threat, he would oppose the president.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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